Torsion in a hollow beam cross-section

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The discussion centers on the analysis of torsion in a hollow beam cross-section, specifically addressing the correct method for calculating shear stresses and axial forces. The initial approach using the equation τ = VQ/It for shear stress is questioned, with suggestions to explore proper methods for closed sections. The participant seeks clarification on calculating compressive axial force, referencing the stress formula SigmaZ = N/A + Mx(Y)/Ix - My(X)/Iy, while expressing uncertainty about obtaining moment values Mx and My. Additional resources and examples are provided to clarify the application of shear stress equations, emphasizing the importance of understanding shear connections in the context of the problem. The conversation highlights the complexities involved in analyzing torsion and bending in beams with eccentric loads.
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Homework Statement



The problem is regarding the question on the attached file called 'QUESTION3.png' This is urgent so please reply if you can.

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The attempt is in the file attached. Is my procedure correct? Am I missing something or is something wrong?

Also, how do I find the compressive axial force if N- = 20kN? What equation do I use?

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Attempt is attached.

Thanks.
 

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1. Your section is closed. You are using τ = VQ/It to compute the shear stresses in the walls. This is incorrect. Have you studied how to analyze closed sections in shear?

2. The axial force is applied along the longitudinal axis of the beam. How do you calculate stress in axially loaded members? (Hint: it was probably the first stress formula you learned.)
 
SteamKing said:
1. Your section is closed. You are using τ = VQ/It to compute the shear stresses in the walls. This is incorrect. Have you studied how to analyze closed sections in shear?

I've done some research but couldn't find any clear information to learn from. I only have one example of the same question, which is from a friend and he uses the same equation : VQ/It (where t includes the wall thickness of both the left and right side. If you could give me a link explaining the equation for shear stress in hollow beams or just give me the equation that would be great. The information my lecturer gives me on the university website is very limited. This is a repeat exam and I'm currently outside the country my uni is in so I don't have any lecturers to explain this.

2. The axial force is applied along the longitudinal axis of the beam. How do you calculate stress in axially loaded members? (Hint: it was probably the first stress formula you learned.)

Oh. I assume it is the SigmaZ= N/A + Mx(Y)/Ix - My(X)/Iy equation.
If so, I have the values of N, A, Ix, Iy, but not Mx and My. How do I obtain the M values?
I assume after obtaining the Mx and My values, I replace the X and Y values for the top and bottom of the beam to find the normal force?

Reply is above in Bold

Edit:

In this example I found through google, the person uses VQ/It to find the shear at N.A :
http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/modar/CE%20302%20Solved%20Problems/Solved%20Problems%20on%20Ch6.pdf
 
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1. No mention is made of any bending in your problem, so Mx = My = 0.

2. In your example, there is no shear connection between the sides of the wooden box and the top and bottom plates except be the nails which connect them. This is not a good example to use on your problem, since you have a full shear connection at all four corners.

3. The attached example is for a beam which does have a thicker top plate than your problem.
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~thompson/hPage/CourseMat/Tutorials/Solid_Mechanics/shear.pdf
On reading their description, it appears that if all plates are the same thickness, one can assume equal shear flow in the sides, and thus τ = VQ/It may be valid for your problem after all. I apologize for the earlier confusion. However, the attached method should also work for more general problems, as well as this one.
 
What happened to the Torsion and Bending part? The loads appear to be eccentrically applied?? Is this correct?
 
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