How Does Light Behave on a Rotating Disc in Different Reference Frames?

In summary: in summary, the light appears to pass through the center of the disc in the train experiment, but to an observer outside of the disc the light would have to move to hit the appropriate mirrors and would appear to avoid the center of the disc.
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Suppose one constructs a thought experiment similar to the famous light beam bouncing around a train car. In this experiment a laser and mirror are attached to the surface of a rotating disc such that the beam is sent through the center of the disc. From my understanding of the train experiment, to an observer on the disc the light would appear to pass through the center of the disc.

But to an observer outside of the disc the light would have to move to hit the appropriate mirrors and would appear to avoid the center of the disc.

Is this a reasonable understanding? Or do the reference frames vary by radius from the center of the disc such that on the edge of the disc the beam would appear to move through the center but as one approached the center the beam would appear to avoid it?
 
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Light is only constrained to travel in straight lines at constant speed c in inertial frames (the rest frames of observers moving at constant speed and direction--any change in speed or direction is a form of acceleration, and the observer will know he's accelerating because he experiences G-forces, like the 'centrifugal force' felt by rotating observers). In a rotating frame this is no longer the case, so your inference here is not correct:
From my understanding of the train experiment, to an observer on the disc the light would appear to pass through the center of the disc.
 
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k I don’t know this might be a little off topic But isn't there a thought experiment by Einstein He imagines and elevator going up really fast and a hole is drilled in the side of the
elevator and the light coming in hits lower on the other side or appears to bend.
 
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cragar said:
k I don’t know this might be a little off topic But isn't there a thought experiment by Einstein He imagines and elevator going up really fast and a hole is drilled in the side of the
elevator and the light coming in hits lower on the other side or appears to bend.
Yes, this is a thought-experiment showing the equivalence between being at constant height in a gravitational field and accelerating in deep space (or equivalently, between freefall in a gravitational field and inertial motion in deep space). See http://www.einstein-online.info/en/spotlights/equivalence_principle/index.html:

http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/anim/equv-m.gif
 
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i see you that clears it up.
 

1. What is the purpose of conducting a train experiment in rotation?

The purpose of conducting a train experiment in rotation is to study the effects of rotational forces on trains and how they impact their performance, stability, and safety. This information can be used to improve train design and operation.

2. How is the train experiment in rotation conducted?

The train experiment in rotation is typically conducted using a rotating platform or turntable. The train is placed on the platform and rotated at various speeds and angles to simulate different scenarios. Data and observations are recorded to analyze the train's behavior under rotational forces.

3. What are the main variables in a train experiment in rotation?

The main variables in a train experiment in rotation include the speed and angle of rotation, the weight and design of the train, and the type of track or surface the train is traveling on. Other factors such as wind resistance and friction may also be considered.

4. What are some potential benefits of the train experiment in rotation?

The train experiment in rotation can provide valuable insights into how trains behave under different rotational forces, which can help improve train design and operation. This can lead to safer and more efficient trains, as well as cost savings in maintenance and repairs.

5. Are there any limitations to the train experiment in rotation?

Like any scientific experiment, the train experiment in rotation has its limitations. The results may not always accurately reflect real-world conditions, and it is difficult to control for all variables. Additionally, the cost and resources required to conduct such experiments may be a barrier for some researchers.

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