Transfer function to phase transfere

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The discussion revolves around finding the phase of a transfer function, specifically when the argument of H(jw) equals -90 or 90 degrees. The transfer function provided is H(jw) = R / (R(1-w^2LC) + jwL), and the user is attempting to solve for conditions where the phase reaches these values. They express confusion regarding the presence of "j" in the phase calculation and question the validity of their approach, particularly when substituting a solution from their textbook. The user notes that the equation leads to undefined results and contemplates the behavior of the tangent function at these angles. The conversation highlights the complexities of phase analysis in transfer functions and the need for careful mathematical handling.
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Hello!
This is problem is a part of a bigger problem which I solved and came to a formula which is correct.

This is the equation for one transfer function. The next thing I would like to find out here is when arg(H(jw)) is -90 or 90 degrees but I get stuck.

Transfer function:
## H(jw) = \frac{R}{R(1-w^2LC)+jwL} ##This is how I proceeded till I got stuck.

## H(jw) = \frac{R}{R(1-w^2LC)+jwL} \\ H(jw) = \frac{R}{\sqrt{(R(1-w^2LC))^2+(wL)^2}e^{jarctan( \frac{wL}{R(1-w^2LC)})}} \\ H(jw) = \frac{ R }{ \sqrt{ (R(1-w^2LC))^2+(wL)^2} } e^{-jarctan( \frac{wL}{R(1-w^2LC)})} \\ ##

Then we want to know where the argument is -90 or 90 degrees.

## 90=-jarctan( \frac{wL}{R(1-w^2LC)}) ##

Here is the step where I get stuck. Could you please help me out?
Thanks in advance!
 
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Where does the "j" on the right hand side of the last line come from?
 
M Quack said:
Where does the "j" on the right hand side of the last line come from?
Thank you for your reply!

From j here:
##e^{ -jarctan( \frac{wL}{R(1-w^2LC)})} ##

But I guess it shouldn't be there. Since I an looking for the phase.

What about ## 90=-arctan( \frac{wL}{R(1-w^2LC)}) ## on the last line then :) ?

EDIT: the problem I have is that 90=-arctan(x) has no solutions :,(. But the solution in my book is ## w= \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}} ##. When I try to insert the solution from the book inside the equation I have gives something that is not defined:
## 90=-arctan( \frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}L}{R(1-(\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}})^2LC)}) \\ 90= -arctan( \frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}L}{R(1-(\frac{1}{1}))}) \\ 90= -arctan( \frac{\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}L}{0})##
 
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What does the tangent function look like, in particular, what is the value of tan(90 deg) and tan(-90 deg)?

The mathematically correct way would be to calculate the solution for +/-(90 + epsilon), and then take the limit epsilon-> 0.
 
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