Two body collision with a spring

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around solving a two-body collision problem involving a spring, where a block of mass m1 collides with a block of mass m2. The key equations used are conservation of momentum and the relationship for elastic collisions. The confusion arises from the manipulation of these equations, particularly why EQ (2) is multiplied by 1.6 kg to derive EQ (3). This multiplication helps to eliminate the v1 terms when adding EQ (1) and EQ (3), allowing for the calculation of the final velocity v2f. Understanding the derivation of EQ (2) from conservation of energy is crucial for grasping the reasoning behind these steps.
Agent M27
Messages
169
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A block of mass m1 = 1.6 kg is initially moving to the right with a speed of 4 ms-1 on a frictionless horizontal track and collides with a spring attached to a second block of mass m2 = 2.1 kg initially moving to the left at a speed of 2.5 ms-1. The spring constant is 600 NM-1.

a. Find the velocities of the two blocks after the collision.

Homework Equations


(1) m1v1i+m2v2i = m1v1f+m2v2f

(2) v1i - v2i = -(v1f - v2f)

The Attempt at a Solution


So this is a problem in the book that is worked out for me, but I cannot seem to figure out the reasoning behind the way they combined and manipulated the equations. They first begin by subbing in the known values into EQ (1) which I agree with. They then state to use EQ (2) due to the collision being ellastic, which I don't totally understand this relationship. They sub known values into EQ (2) giving the following:

6.5 ms-1 = -v1f = v2f

The book then states that I must multiply the EQ I gave right above by 1.6 kg which gives me the following which I will label as EQ (3): This is what I don't understand, why would I multiply EQ (2) by 1.6kg?

10.4kgms-1 = (-1.6kg)v1f + (1.6kg)v2f

The book goes on to state that I now must add EQ (1) and EQ (3) which apparently allows me to solve for v2f, but I don't see where the thought process determines that I add these two EQ. Thanks in advance for the assistance, I am hoping this is a relatively simple algebraic procedure that I am missing.

Joe
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Agent M27 said:
They then state to use EQ (2) due to the collision being ellastic, which I don't totally understand this relationship.
The point here is that EQ (2) is only valid for elastic collisions. One derives that equation by combining EQ (1) with conservation of energy. (The derivation should be in your textbook.) Working with EQ (2) is much easier than working the conservation of energy equation directly.


The book then states that I must multiply the EQ I gave right above by 1.6 kg which gives me the following which I will label as EQ (3): This is what I don't understand, why would I multiply EQ (2) by 1.6kg?

10.4kgms-1 = (-1.6kg)v1f + (1.6kg)v2f

The book goes on to state that I now must add EQ (1) and EQ (3) which apparently allows me to solve for v2f, but I don't see where the thought process determines that I add these two EQ. Thanks in advance for the assistance, I am hoping this is a relatively simple algebraic procedure that I am missing.
It's just a trick. One equation has a +1.6v1 term and the other has a -1.6v1 term. Add them together and the v1 terms cancel leaving only v2.
 
TL;DR Summary: I came across this question from a Sri Lankan A-level textbook. Question - An ice cube with a length of 10 cm is immersed in water at 0 °C. An observer observes the ice cube from the water, and it seems to be 7.75 cm long. If the refractive index of water is 4/3, find the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. I could not understand how the apparent height of the ice cube in the water depends on the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. Does anyone have an...
Thread 'Variable mass system : water sprayed into a moving container'
Starting with the mass considerations #m(t)# is mass of water #M_{c}# mass of container and #M(t)# mass of total system $$M(t) = M_{C} + m(t)$$ $$\Rightarrow \frac{dM(t)}{dt} = \frac{dm(t)}{dt}$$ $$P_i = Mv + u \, dm$$ $$P_f = (M + dm)(v + dv)$$ $$\Delta P = M \, dv + (v - u) \, dm$$ $$F = \frac{dP}{dt} = M \frac{dv}{dt} + (v - u) \frac{dm}{dt}$$ $$F = u \frac{dm}{dt} = \rho A u^2$$ from conservation of momentum , the cannon recoils with the same force which it applies. $$\quad \frac{dm}{dt}...

Similar threads

Back
Top