Two reels rolling without slipping

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular acceleration and work done by a force on two identical cylindrical reels. The first cylinder's torque is expressed as τ1=3RF−RT, while the second's is τ2=RT, leading to the conclusion that both cylinders share the same angular acceleration. The participant initially misinterpreted the system dynamics but later recognized the correct torque relationships and their implications for angular acceleration and translation. The calculations for tension and work done are debated, with an emphasis on applying the kinetic energy theorem correctly. The conversation highlights the complexities of analyzing rolling motion without slipping in a system of interconnected reels.
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I have two cylindric reels laying on the ground. They are identical: mass M, composed by a cylinder of radius R and two side cylinders of radius 2R. I have to find angular acceleration and work done by F in delta t.

2. The attempt at a solution

On the first cylinder the torque is ##\tau_1=3RF-RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##
as the rope isn't extensible the two cylinders should have the same angular acceleration.
So ##\alpha_1=\alpha_2##
##3RF-3RT=RT##
##T=-\frac{3}{2} F##

##\alpha=R/I *3/2 F=\frac{3RF}{2I}##
Angular velocity of cylinder is ##\omega = \alpha t = \frac{3RF}{2I} t##.
Kinetic energy of the first cylinder is ##1/2 I \omega^2= \frac{9R^2F^2t^2}{8I}## and this is also the work done by F plus the work done by T on the first cylinder. But as ##T/F=-3/2## and they are applied in the same way with respect to the displacement I expect ##W_T/W_F=-3/2## so ##W_F=2/5 \Delta K##. Is it correct?
Thanks a lot
 
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bznm said:
On the first cylinder the torque is ##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##
as the rope isn't extensible the two cylinders should have the same angular acceleration.
Interesting, can you explain ?
The rope can roll up (or off) on the reels, I presume ?
[edit] A bit late, but I get it. Let me sit back and think a little longer before posting :nb)
 
BvU said:
Interesting, can you explain ?
The rope can roll up (or off) on the reels, I presume ?
Oh my gosh, you're right.. I'm totally wrong(i don't know why but I considered it as a rod) and I don't know what to do now :/
 
But the "##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##" is correct. That gives angular acceleration and therefore also (uniformly) accelerated translation
 
BvU said:
But the "##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##" is correct. That gives angular acceleration and therefore also (uniformly) accelerated translation
I tried: (where A is friction force)
## F-A-T=M a_1 = M \alpha_1 2R ##
## T-A=M a_2 = M \alpha_2 2R ##

Subtracting, I get: ##F-2T=M(2R)(\alpha_1-\alpha_2)##
##F-2T=M(2R)\frac{3RF-2RT}{I}##
##T=F\frac{1+6MR^2 / I}{2+4MR^2 / I}##

Is it correct?
What about the work? Is it correct my reasoning in applying kinetic energy theorem?
 
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