Uncertainty Principle & an Atomic Nucleus

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of a neutron localized within an atomic nucleus, using the uncertainty principle. Participants express confusion about assuming that the uncertainty in momentum (ΔP) is approximately equal to the momentum (P) itself, given the small spatial uncertainty (ΔX) of about 1 fm. The assumption is debated, with some suggesting it simplifies calculations, while others question its validity due to the significant difference between ΔX and ΔP. The Planck constant's role in determining ΔP is highlighted, emphasizing its small value and the resulting implications for momentum. Overall, the conversation reflects frustration with the complexity of the problem and the assumptions involved in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement



A neutron in an atomic nucleus is bound to other neutrons and protons in the nucleus by the strong nuclear force when it comes within about 1 fm of another particle . What is the approximate kinetic energy in MeV of a neutron that is localised to within such a region? Take delta(x)*delta(p) = h/(4pi) and rest energy of neutron to be 939 MeV. Give your result to 2 significant figures.

Homework Equations



\DeltaX\DeltaP = h/4\pi
KE = P2/2m

The Attempt at a Solution



We know \DeltaX = 1x10-15m and we know E0 = 939MeV and \DeltaP can be easily determined. However, I don't know how to continue because I don't think we're given enough information. A couple people in my class have mentioned that we should assume \DeltaP ~ P in which this would make the question simple. I don't understand this since our \DeltaX is very small so our \DeltaP would be very large. But the uncertainty in this case is just a number so it could be anything so how is it at all related to P hence why the hell can we just assume \DeltaP ~ P?? Or are my classmates wrong like I think they are :wink:
 
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Well, the Planck constant is of the order 10-34 so the \DeltaP is of the order 10-19 which is not large in my book.

As to why this assumption is to be made my best guess would be that within a nucleus the particles are considered still in respect to one another, just a small vibration whose magnitude is given by the uncertainty principle with the lower bound being 0 (and so the upper bound is the magnitude of the uncertainty).
 
ojs said:
Well, the Planck constant is of the order 10-34 so the \DeltaP is of the order 10-19 which is not large in my book.

As to why this assumption is to be made my best guess would be that within a nucleus the particles are considered still in respect to one another, just a small vibration whose magnitude is given by the uncertainty principle with the lower bound being 0 (and so the upper bound is the magnitude of the uncertainty).

I don't completely understand but if you're saying that assuming \DeltaP ~ P is okay then that's good enough for me. We've been getting heaps of these dodgy questions lately and they're starting to annoy me lol. Thanks.
 
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