Understanding the graph for reversing an integral

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The discussion revolves around reversing the order of integration for the double integral \(\int_0^{81}\int_{y/9}^{\sqrt{y}} dx dy\). The original poster is trying to understand the graphical representation of the region defined by the inequalities \(y/9 < x < \sqrt{y}\) and \(0 < y < 81\), which involves the curves \(y = x^2\) and \(y = 9x\).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about how to graph the inequalities and the resulting region of integration. They mention needing to understand the graph before proceeding with the problem. Other participants suggest sketching specific curves and clarify which equations to graph based on the limits of integration.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the graphical aspects of the problem. Some have provided insights into which curves to sketch, while others are still grappling with understanding the graphical representation. There is a recognition of the need to visualize the area of integration to facilitate reversing the order of integration.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a specific point of intersection at (1,1) that may affect how the area is divided for integration. The original poster also notes constraints related to homework rules that prevent them from progressing without clarity on the graph.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to reverse the order of integration of
\int_0^{81}\int_{y/9}^{\sqrt{y}} dx dy
first integral is from 0 to 81
second integral is from y/9 to \sqrt{y}

The problem is, I identified the inequalities for the regions of integration, but I'm having problems understanding how the graph is formed.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the inequalities are y/9 < x < \sqrt{y}
and 0 < y <81.

But I don't understand the graph.
x-axis is 0 to 9
y-axis is 0 to 81
y = x^2
y = 9x

And since according to the homework problem I'm doing, I can't progress the problem until I understand why the graph is so.

Also, can someone help me in formating the integrals in latex?
 
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lalah said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to reverse the order of integration of
\int_0^{81}\int_{y/9}^{\sqrt{y}} dx dy
first integral is from 0 to 81
second integral is from y/9 to \sqrt{y}

The problem is, I identified the inequalities for the regions of integration, but I'm having problems understanding how the graph is formed.

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the inequalities are y/9 < x < \sqrt{y}
and 0 < y <81.

But I don't understand the graph.
x-axis is 0 to 9
y-axis is 0 to 81
y = x^2
y = 9x

And since according to the homework problem I'm doing, I can't progress the problem until I understand why the graph is so.

Also, can someone help me in formating the integrals in latex?
Draw a picture. In particular, graph x= 1/y and x= \sqrt{y} which are the same as the hyperbola y= 1/x and the parabola y= x2. Now one problem you have here is that those two graph cross at (1,1). The area over which you are integrating is the area from the curve y= x2 on the left to the curve y= 1/x on the right up until y= 1, then from the curve y= 1/x on the left up to the curve y= x2 on the right.

Reversing the order of integration, you will need to divide this into four integrals. To cover the lower area, below y= 1, because of the change at (1,1), you will need to integrate from 0 up to y= x2 with x from 0 to 1, then from 0 up to y= 1/x, with x from 0 to 1/81. To cover the upper area, above y= 1, you need to integrate from y= 1/x up to y= 81, with x from 1/81 to 1, then from y= x2 up to y= 81, with x from 1 to up to 9:
\int_{x=0}^1\int_{y= 0}^{x^2} dy dx+ \int_{x=1}^\infty \int{y= 0}^{1/x} dy dx+ \int_{x= 1/81}^1 \int_{y=1/x}^81 dy dx+ \int_{x=1}^9\int_{y= x^2}^{81} dy dx
 
HallsofIvy said:
Draw a picture. In particular, graph x= 1/y and x= \sqrt{y} which are the same as the hyperbola y= 1/x and the parabola y= x2.
I'm suck on that step. How do you determine which formulas to graph? I'm looking at the equations and inequalities, but I can't arrive to that step.

I can do reversing of integration, but this is the pothole in the bridge.
 
The graphs you should sketch are those determined by the limits of the integrands. The limits for x are x=y/9 and x=sqrt{y}. I think HallsOfIvy meant x=y/9 instead of 1/y.
 
Defennder said:
The graphs you should sketch are those determined by the limits of the integrands. The limits for x are x=y/9 and x=sqrt{y}. I think HallsOfIvy meant x=y/9 instead of 1/y.
Oh yes, I get it now. Thanks! :)
 
Right! my eyes are going!
 

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