Understanding the PLL Block Diagram & Stable Point of Operation

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The discussion revolves around understanding the phase-locked loop (PLL) block diagram and the conditions necessary for achieving a stable point of operation. Participants explore theoretical aspects of PLLs, including their functionality in generating currents in phase with voltage and the implications of frequency synchronization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the PLL block diagram and the requirement for the input to the PI controller to have an average value of zero for stability.
  • It is proposed that for average power to be zero in steady state, the current and voltage must be orthogonal, leading to the condition cos(φ) = 0.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the frequency ω must equal the system frequency for the PLL to reach a stable point, suggesting that PLLs are designed to lock onto a frequency.
  • A reference to the concept of capture transient is mentioned as relevant to understanding PLL operation.
  • Participants share resources, including a book from Signetics and a datasheet for the NE565, as helpful references for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of frequency synchronization for the PLL to achieve stability, but the discussion remains open regarding the detailed mechanisms and implications of these conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of stability and orthogonality in the context of PLL operation are not fully explored. The discussion also does not resolve the specific reasons behind the requirement for frequency matching.

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I have some trouble fully understanding the PLL block diagram shown below in the figure. The PLL circuit is used to generate currents (i alpha and i beta) which are in phase with the positive fundamental sequence of the voltage.

I am using the book "Instantaneous Power Theory and Applications to Power Condition" which I found as a pdf on the web.

The authors write:
  • The only way for the PLL to reach a stable point is if the input to the PI controller in steady state has an average value of zero.
For the average power to be zero in steady state the current ia and voltage va has to be orthogonal to each other, i.e. cos(\phi) = 0.

The author also write that the frequency \omega has to be equal to the system frequency and the current and voltages has to be orthogonal to reach a stable point of operation.

Why must \omega be equal to system frequency to reach a stable point of operation?I would appreciate if someone help me fully understood how this circuit works

EDIT: I forgot to write 2pi/3 at the left bottom block, i wrote pi/3.
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the best book i know of for PLL's is Signetics from 1972.

it's archived at https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_signeticsdcsPLLApplications_5800304

i saved a copy in my 'electronics' folder. Signetics NE565 datasheet is a companion piece.

OliskaP said:
Why must ω\omega be equal to system frequency to reach a stable point of operation?

That's what PLL's do, lock on to a frequency. Being out of sync is like grinding gear teeth. Read about capture transient in that Signetics book.
 
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http://www.ece.usu.edu/ece_store/spec/LM565.pdf
 
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Thank you @jim hardy , i'll read what you suggested tomorrow morning.
 

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