Understanding Work and Energy Transfer in Adiabatic Systems

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In an adiabatic system, the internal energy decreases when a weight is removed from the lid, primarily due to work being done by the gas as it expands. This expansion leads to a reduction in pressure and temperature, as the gas particles exert less force on the lid and transfer kinetic energy to it. The First Law of Thermodynamics supports this, indicating that with no heat transfer, the change in internal energy is negative due to the work done by the gas. The discussion emphasizes that temperature can change in an adiabatic system despite no heat exchange, countering common misconceptions. Understanding these principles is crucial for analyzing thermodynamic behavior in isolated systems.
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Hello!
I'm not sure if this should be in the physics section or chemistry, but I think it's covered in both. I apologise if this has been asked numerous times before!
I am interested in the following adiabatic system, I think it counts as an isolated system:

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Here is my attempt to explain what is happening:
The internal energy of this system decreases when I remove one of the weights (gold) on the lid (red). I was wondering why this is so. The change in the internal energy is a result of either heat being trasnferred or introduced, or work being done by or to the system. In this case, heat is not a factor, so it must be solely due to work. I can see that work is being by the system. But I am interested in the 'factors' involved.
The lid pushes down on the system due to gravity (green arrow). The gas pushes back with a net force that is due to the particles each exerting a force on the lid by bumping into it. The lid does not go down or up as the two forces are equal. I assume that the kinteic energy of the system is constant because the energy a particle transfers to the lid is 'recouped' by the lids collision with the particle?! I ask this, becasue it ties in with the next bit.
If I remove a gold weight, the force exerted by the lid is reduced, and the particles push against the lid. They transfer kinetic energy to the lid (and gold weight), this kinetic energy is then transformed into gravitational potential energy as the lid moves up. This happens until the particles loose enough kinetic energy in moving the lid (by transferring their kinetic energy to the lid) AND because the volume is larger that the particles collide with the lid less often (reducing the force they exert), that the force exerted by the lids new weight due to gravity is equal to the new kinetic energy in the system.
Is this the correct interpretation?
Any help appreciated.
 
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It is correct. Can you complete it though, by figuring out what what happens to the three macroscopic thermodynamic variables, namely pressure, volume and temperature? We know the volume increases, so what happens to the other two and why?
 
Thanks for the response kuruman.
The pressure goes down as there are less collisions. I guess this is due to both an increase in volume and a decrease in kinetic energy of the particles.
The temperature also goes down, as the tempertaure is a measure of the kinetic energy in the system, and since kinetic energy has been trasnferred, the temperature goes down. Which is interesting becasue if it's correct it means that the temperature of an abiabatic system can change, even though it is not transferring heat or acquiring heat.
Are these correct statements?
Many thanks!
 
These are correct statements, but I was hoping you would consider and interpret equations as a means to support your arguments. Equations often allow you to see clearly in cases where you doubt your judgment.

For example, pressure = Force/Area of piston.
Since the piston is at equilibrium in each of the two cases,
pressure = Weight on piston/Area of piston.
Since the area of the piston does not change, it takes less pressure to support less weight.

The First Law of Thermodynamics says
Change in internal energy = Heat added - Work done by the gas
Here, Heat added = zero and Work done by the gas is positive because the gas expands. Therefore,
Change in internal energy is negative, therefore the temperature decreases.

I am glad you realized that the temperature can decrease even though no heat leaves the system. Some people believe that if heat is not allowed in or out the gas, the temperature has to remain constant, which is not necessarily true because the gas may do positive or negative work at the same time.
 
Thanks Kuruman.
 
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