Unfixed charges released from rest

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The problem involves calculating the initial potential energy of a proton and a positron released from rest at a distance of 5µm, yielding a value of 4.613137×10-23 Joules. The discussion emphasizes the conservation of linear momentum to determine the distribution of kinetic energy between the two charges after they are set in motion. The percentage of kinetic energy for each charge is derived from their mass ratio and is expressed as a percentage of the total kinetic energy, Ksys. The conversation highlights the importance of including units in calculations to ensure clarity and accuracy.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electrostatic potential energy, specifically the formula U = kQq/r.
  • Knowledge of conservation of momentum, particularly the equation p = m1v1 + m2v2.
  • Familiarity with kinetic energy equations, including Usys = 1/2 m1v12 + 1/2 m2v22.
  • Ability to calculate ratios and percentages for energy distribution.
NEXT STEPS
  • Learn about the implications of conservation of momentum in multi-body systems.
  • Explore the concept of energy distribution in systems with multiple charges.
  • Study the significance of including units in scientific calculations.
  • Investigate the behavior of charged particles in electric fields and their interactions.
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Homework Statement


a.) [/B]A proton and an "positron" (identical to an electron, except positively charged) are brought ##5µm## apart and released from rest.

What is the initial potential energy stored by this system?

b.) In all of the previous problems on this homework, the system's collective potential energy has been assigned to a single charge which is moveable. In this problem, we'll let BOTH charges move. The collective kinetic energy of the charges ##K_{sys}## will be drawn from ##U_{sys}##. However, since both charges are moving, they will need to "share" this energy.

Once in motion, what percentage of ##K_{sys}## does each charge have at any given moment?
proton: K = ?% of ##K_{sys}##
positron: K = ?% of ##K_{sys}##
(In this scenario, how valid is our usual approximation to assign the entire Usys to one particle? Which particle should it be assigned to?)

What is the speed of each charge after they have repelled a long distance apart?
proton: ##v_f = ? m/s##
positron: ##v_f = ? m/s##

Homework Equations



$$U=\frac{kQq}{r}$$
$$p=m_1v_1+m_2v_2$$
$$U_{sys}=\frac{1}{2}m_1v_1^2+\frac{1}{2}m_2v_2^2$$

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved a.) and got ##4.613137\times10^{-23}## which is the correct answer.

When solving for the allotted distribution of kinetic energy, I thought about using the conservation of linear momentum ##p=m_1v_1+m_2v_2## where ##p=0## initially. From this I find that the ratio of masses is proportional to the ratio of velocities such that
$$-\frac{m_+}{m_p}=\frac{v_p}{v_+}$$
where "##+##" indicates the positron.

I wasn't sure where I could go from there, so I decided to substitute ##-\frac{m_+}{m_p}v_+=v_p## into the kinetic energy equation.

$$U_{sys}=\frac{1}{2}m_p(\frac{m_+}{m_p}v_+)^2+\frac{1}{2}m_+v_+^2$$

I'm not entirely sure if this is the right approach, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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b) Your momentum idea is fine. Notice that you are asked, not what the KE is at any time, but what the % distribution between them is. Percentage is just a sort of ratio: instead of saying A:B is something, you are saying A as % = ##\frac{A}{A+B}## x 100
If you find the ratio A:B, you just rewrite it as %.

BTW in a) you say, "I solved a.) and got 4.613137×10−23 which is the correct answer. " I don't want to be mean, but I would not consider an answer like this correct, because the unit is not stated. You know what it is of course and so does your tutor, but I think we should always put it, just in case were talking to Americans about sending spacecraft to Mars.
 
Thanks, Merlin! I'm glad I was on the right track.

I was able to get the correct answers to the rest of the problem thanks to your help.

Best!
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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