Using Coulombs Law-Comparative Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the application of Coulomb's Law in a comparative analysis of electrostatic forces. The original poster seeks to calculate the magnitude of a force (F2) under specific changes to charge sizes and distances, referencing an example problem involving electrostatic forces between two charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive F2 by combining the effects of changes in charge sizes and distance, leading to a potential misunderstanding of how to apply the changes independently.
  • Some participants question the validity of combining the effects of the two changes, suggesting that they should be treated separately.
  • There is a discussion about whether the original poster's derived relationship (F2 = 6F1/4) is correct, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the rearrangement of terms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and interpretations. There is a recognition of differing approaches to the problem, and while some guidance has been offered, no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the original poster's method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of applying Coulomb's Law under multiple simultaneous changes, questioning the assumptions made about the independence of those changes. The original example serves as a reference point for their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Look back at the Example in the Using Coulombs Law-Comparative Analysis section. Calculate the magnitude of F2 if both changes occurred simultaneously-that is, if the distance between the charges doubled and the size of once tripled, while the size of the other doubled.

This is the original example:

If the electrostatic force between two charges is 6.0 x 10^-8 N, what effect would each of the following changes have on the magnitude of the force?
1) the distance between the charges is doubled
2)One charge is doubled and the other is tripled

Solution:
1)
F2 = (6.0x10^-8 N)xr1 / (2r1)^2
= (6.0x10^-8 N) / 4
= 1.5 x 10^-8 N

2) q1=2q1
q2=3q1

F1/F2 = q1q2/q1q2

(6.0x10^-8 N)/F2 = q1q2 / (2q1)(3q2)

F2 = (6.0x10^-8N)(6)
= 3.6 x 10^-7 N

This is the solution to the example!


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The Attempt at a Solution


r' = 2r

q1' = 3q1

q2' = 2q2

First i set F1/F2 = (q1q2/r1^2) / ((3q1)(2q1)/2r1^2)

Then after i rearranged it and canceled out q1q2 and r1
i ended up with the equation F2 = 6F1/4

then i put in F1

therefore:

F2 = 6(6.0 x 10^-8N) / 4
= 9.0 x 10^-8 N

Therefore, the magnitude of F2 is 9.0 x 10^-8 N

I don't think i rearranged it correctly, can someone please confirm. Thank You
 
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wilson_chem90 said:
... i ended up with the equation F2 = 6F1/4...

It looks like you combined parts (1) and (2) together. The changes are made independently, so the answer to part (1) is F1/4 and the answer to part (2) is 6 F1.
 
kuruman said:
It looks like you combined parts (1) and (2) together. The changes are made independently, so the answer to part (1) is F1/4 and the answer to part (2) is 6 F1.

Would that mean that F2 is (3/2) of F1? if they were combined.

Because I obtained the same answer.
 
Why do you think that your answer is wrong?

It seems correct to me.
 

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