Using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere

In summary: Yes. It doesn't matter what surface is bounded by the curve. No matter which surface you use, its surface integral is equal to the same ##\int_C \vec F\cdot dr##, so they are all equal. So you can evaluate the surface integral over simplest such surface, which is the planar disk.
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Stokes theorem
$$\int_C \textbf{F} . \textbf{dr} = \int_S \nabla \times \textbf{F} . \textbf{ds}$$

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I have the answer to the problem but mine is missing a factor of$$\sqrt 2 $$ I can't seem to find my error
 

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Please write out your attempt instead of attaching an image of it. I cannot read what is in your image.
 
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Apologies for that:

F= (y,z,x)
curl F = (-1,-1,-1)

Projecting the surface on the x-y plane:

Take ##\Phi = z- \sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2} = 0## from the equation of the surface to find the normal n. Then $$\textbf{n} = \dfrac{\nabla\Phi}{|\nabla\Phi|} = \dfrac{\left(\dfrac{x-b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}} , \dfrac{y-b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}},1\right)}{\dfrac{\sqrt{2}b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}}}$$

Now ##ds = \dfrac{dx dy}{\textbf{n}.\textbf{k}} = \dfrac{\sqrt{2}b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}} dxdy ##

$$\therefore \int_{S}\nabla \times \textbf{F}.\textbf{ds} = -\int\int dxdy = -\int^{2\pi}_{0}\int^{\sqrt{2}b}_{0} r \ dr d\theta = -2\pi b^2$$

Where for the change to polar coordinates was taken as ##x=rcos\theta +b , y=rsin\theta +b##
 
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The plane ##x + y +0z= 2b## has unit normal ##\hat n = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle## in the correct direction. So $$
\oint_C \vec F\cdot dr = \iint_S \langle -1,-1,-1\rangle \cdot \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle ~dS
=-\frac 2 {\sqrt 2} \cdot \text{Area of circle}$$
You don't need to jump through all those hoops to get the unit normal to a plane nor work the area integral.
Edit, added: What's worse, the plane is vertical and can't be expressed as a function of ##x## and ##y##.
 
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LCKurtz said:
The plane ##x + y +0z= 2b## has unit normal ##\hat n = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle## in the correct direction. So $$
\oint_C \vec F\cdot dr = \iint_S \langle -1,-1,-1\rangle \cdot \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle ~dS
=-\frac 2 {\sqrt 2} \cdot \text{Area of circle}$$
You don't need to jump through all those hoops to get the unit normal to a plane nor work the area integral.
Edit, added: What's worse, the plane is vertical and can't be expressed as a function of ##x## and ##y##.

So this is taking the surface to be the circle ? Thats much simpler then, thanks!
 
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Morbidly_Green said:
So this is taking the surface to be the circle ? Thats much simpler then, thanks!
Yes. It doesn't matter what surface is bounded by the curve. No matter which surface you use, its surface integral is equal to the same ##\int_C \vec F\cdot dr##, so they are all equal. So you can evaluate the surface integral over simplest such surface, which is the planar disk.
 

FAQ: Using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere

What is Stoke's theorem?

Stoke's theorem is a fundamental theorem in vector calculus that relates the surface integral of a vector field over a closed surface to the line integral of the same vector field along the boundary of the surface.

How is Stoke's theorem used in relation to an off-centre sphere?

In the context of an off-centre sphere, Stoke's theorem can be used to calculate the flux of a vector field passing through the surface of the sphere. This is helpful in many applications, such as in fluid mechanics and electromagnetism.

What is the equation for Stoke's theorem?

The equation for Stoke's theorem is ∫∫S (∇ × F) · dS = ∫C F · dr, where ∫∫S represents the surface integral, (∇ × F) · dS represents the dot product of the curl of the vector field and the differential element of surface area, ∫C represents the line integral, F represents the vector field, and dr represents the differential element of arc length along the boundary of the surface.

What are the prerequisites for using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere?

In order to use Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere, one must have a good understanding of vector calculus, including concepts such as vector fields, line and surface integrals, and the curl operator. Additionally, a solid understanding of the geometry of spheres is necessary.

Are there any limitations to using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere?

Yes, there are some limitations to using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere. One limitation is that the sphere must be smooth and have a well-defined boundary. Additionally, the vector field must be defined and continuous on the surface of the sphere. Lastly, the surface must be orientable, meaning that there is a consistent way to define the direction of the normal vector at every point on the surface.

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