V^2 = vi^2 + 2ad, is v velocity or speed?

In summary, there is a dilemma in determining which solution to take when solving for the velocity of a thrown object using the equations v^2 = v0^2 + 2ad and v = v0 + at. This is because squaring a velocity loses its directionality, leading to two possible solutions. Without knowledge of calculus, it is impossible to determine which solution is the correct one, and the v in v^2 = v0^2 + 2ad is actually velocity, not speed.
  • #36
flyingpig said:
No it clearly states that v is speed.
OK!

What IS the definition of speed? - as related to velocity.
 
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  • #37
Speed is the magnitude of velocity
 
  • #38
For a general velocity vector:

[tex]\vec{v}=v_x\,\hat{i}+v_y\,\hat{j}+v_z\,\hat{k}[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}={v_x}^2+{v_y}^2+{v_z}^2[/tex]

The speed is:

[tex]v=|\vec{v}|=\sqrt{{v_x}^2+{v_y}^2+{v_z}^2}[/tex]

So, speed squared is:

[tex]v^2={v_x}^2+{v_y}^2+{v_z}^2[/tex]

It's generally accepted notation that for vector, [tex]\vec{A}\,,[/tex], that A2 can mean either "the square of the magnitude of A" or "the dot product of vector A with itself". The result is the same.

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Now, for the title question: "v^2 = vi^2 + 2ad, is v velocity or speed?":

That kinematic equation is generally used for one dimensional motion. In one-dimensional motion, the direction of a vector is indicated by a + or - sign.

Therefore, (as Tiny-Tim indicated) the answer is that v in this equation can mean either speed or velocity.
 
  • #39
Sammy, I pulled this proof from my Calculus book. It begs the same question with the same level of ambiguity

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It says v = r' which is the velocity it also says at the end that

book said:
The quantity [tex]\frac{1}{2}m|v(b)|^2[/tex], that is, half the mass times the square of the speed
 
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  • #40
hi flyingpig! :wink:
flyingpig said:
It says v = r' which is the velocity it also says at the end that

yes, it says that v is the velocity, and and |v| is the speed

… that's correct! :smile:
 
  • #41
I am referring to the "quantity"
 
  • #42
In that proof they exchange  [tex]\vec{r}\,'(t)\cdot\vec{r}\,'(t)\[/tex]  for  [tex]\left|\vec{r}\,'(t)\right|^2\,.[/tex]

In Serway's physics textbook (I have an old edition of your textbook.), in chapter 7, there is a section on the scalar product. The last line of that section shows that for any vector, A:

[tex]\vec{A}\cdot\vec{A}=\left|\vec{A}\right|^2[/tex]
 
  • #43
But |A| itself is a scalar - speed. They are using it interchangeably
 
  • #44
Yes, they are used interchangeably .

So, [tex]v^2[/tex] is the same thing as [tex]\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}[/tex] and the same thing as [tex]\left|\vec{v}\right|^2[/tex].
 

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