Variation principle -- looking for resources to read and understand

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The discussion centers on seeking resources for understanding the variation principle in the context of Lagrangian mechanics, particularly for electromagnetic Lagrangians. A user expresses difficulty in performing variations for specific Lagrangian forms, such as those incorporating terms like AμJμ and additional components like L' = βRμνgρσFμρFνσ. Participants recommend several textbooks that cover the Lagrangian formulation and variational principles, including "Spacetime Geometry" by Sean Carroll, "Emily Noether's Wonderful Theorem" by Neuenschwander, "SR and Classical Field Theory" by Susskind, "Elementary Particles" by Griffiths, "QFT for the Gifted Amateur" by Lancaster and Blundell, and "QFT in a Nutshell" by Zee. There is a consensus that foundational understanding of classical mechanics and field theory is essential before delving into quantum field theory, with suggestions to prioritize certain texts for beginners.
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Summary:: Can anyone introduce an informative resource with solved examples for learning variation principle?

For example I cannot do the variation for the electromagnetic lagrangian when ##A_\mu J^\mu## added to the free lagrangian and also some other terms which are possible:
$$
L = \sqrt{-g}(\frac{-1}{4}F^{\mu \nu}F_{\mu \nu}+A_\mu J^\mu)
$$
also I want to add ##L' = \beta R^{\mu \nu} g^{\rho \sigma}F_{\mu \rho}F_{\nu \sigma}## to lagrangian and then do the variation to see what is the difference, but I cannnot.
Do you know any good resources to understand with solved examples?
 
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How have you got this far in your physics studies without learning the Lagrangian formulation and variational principle?

I must have at least four text-books that cover this in one form or other. E.g. Spacetime Geometry, by Sean Carroll.
 
PeroK said:
How have you got this far in your physics studies without learning the Lagrangian formulation and variational principle?

I must have at least four text-books that cover this in one form or other. E.g. Spacetime Geometry, by Sean Carroll.
Can you give me another reference except Carroll?
 
Pouramat said:
Can you give me another reference except Carroll?
Emily Noether's Wonderful Theorem - Neuenschwander

SR and Classical Field Theory (The Theoretical Minimum) - Susskind

Elementary Particles - Griffiths

QFT for the Gifted Amateur - Lancaster & Blundell

QFT in a Nutshell - Zee
 
I would first study the action principle within classical mechanics and then classical field theory before I'd go into quantum field theory. For this I'd recommend Landau and Lifshitz vols. 1 and 2.

If you start with the latter, don't take Zee's book. It's fun to read if you know the subject from somewhere else. It's not a good source to start learning it, because it wants to put too much in the nutshell and is thus too superficial to explain QFT for a beginner. Lancaster and Blundell is way better.
 
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