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The discussion revolves around finding the unit normal to the plane defined by the equation x + 2y – 2z = 15 and determining the distance of the plane from the origin. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the process of identifying the normal vector through points and vectors in the plane.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to find the normal vector by calculating the cross product of two vectors derived from points in the plane. They question the validity of their calculations and the signs used in the determinant method.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential errors in the calculations, while others have clarified that the coefficients of the plane equation directly provide the normal vector, suggesting a simpler approach.

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There is mention that the method of using the coefficients of the plane equation to find the normal vector is not covered in the original poster's course, which may contribute to their confusion.

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I must be doing something really stupid, and I'll kick myself when you point it out, but I'm having difficulty with this question:

Find the unit normal to the plane x + 2y – 2z = 15. What is the distance of the plane from the origin?

OK, so I know I need three points in the plane to identify it. I found points:

A = (15,0,0)
B = (15,1,1)
C = (13,2,1)

They all seem to satisfy the equation, right?

So now I find two nonparallel vectors in this plane:

A->B = 0i + 1j + 1k
A->C = -2i + 2j + 1k

They do indeed join those points, right?

So now I want to find an orthogonal vector, so I take the cross product by calculating the determinant of the 3x3 matrix:

[i j k]
[0 1 1]
[-2 2 1]

= (1-2)i - (-2-0)j + (0+2)k
= -i + 2j + 2k

This vector ought to be orthogonal to vectors A->B, A->C and B->C (and their negatives). But I try to test it with the usual method of adding up the parts and seeing if they result in zero, using A->C as my comparison vector:

(-2 * -1) + (2 * 2) + (1 * 2) = 8

Why doesn't this equal zero? I have a feeling that the middle (j) term is wrong, because if that was (2 * -2) then the whole thing would equal zero, but I don't see where I've got my signs wrong in the method.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers!
 
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mrneglect said:
[i j k]
[0 1 1]
[-2 2 1]

= (1-2)i - (-2-0)j + (0+2)k

The second term in the sum should be -(0 - (-2))j = -2j.
 


Oh, I see, so it doesn't wrap around! That's probably why it's "+ i - j + k". Thanks for that. I knew it was something simple. :smile:
 


Actually, you should have learned early that if a plane is given by Ax+ By+ Cz= D, the <A, B, C> is normal to the plane. You don't need to do all that work. Since the plane is given as x + 2y – 2z = 15, you know that a normal vector is <1, 2, -2>.
 


Well for some reason that's not in our course, but I shall certainly be using it from now on!
 

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