Velocity of cart launched by spring

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The problem involves two carts being propelled apart by a spring after being compressed. The spring constant is given, along with the masses of the carts and the distance of compression. The objective is to determine the velocities of the carts once they are released from the spring's influence.

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles and momentum conservation to relate the velocities of the two carts. There is an exploration of the spring's potential energy and its conversion into kinetic energy for both carts.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using energy conservation equations and momentum relationships. There is an ongoing exploration of how to manipulate the equations to isolate variables for solving the problem. Multiple interpretations of the setup and calculations are being examined.

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There is a question regarding the definition of variables in the energy equation, specifically the distance the spring is compressed. Participants are also navigating the algebraic relationships between the velocities of the carts.

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Homework Statement


A massless spring of spring constant 20 N/m is placed between two carts. Cart 1 has a mass M1 = 5 kg and Cart 2 has a mass M2 = 3 kg. The carts are pushed toward one another until the spring is compressed a distance 1.3 m. The carts are then released and the spring pushes them apart. After the carts are free of the spring, what are their speeds?

Homework Equations


K = 1/2 MV^2
F = -kX

The Attempt at a Solution


Once I find out how to solve for one I'll know how to solve for both, so let's just deal with the 5 kg cart.
Force in the Spring = 1.3 x 20 = 26
26 = 1/2 x (5) x V^2
10.4 = V^2
3.22 = V
Wrong. I suspect I made this much simpler than it really is... where did I go wrong?
 
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Once I find out how to solve for one I'll know how to solve for both, so let's just deal with the 5 kg cart.
That statement is incorrect, you have to deal with both of them at the same time.

So think of them in terms of Energy,

1/2kx^2 = 1/2m1v1^2 + 1/2m2v2^2
 
What is the x in 1/2 kx^2? Is that the distance the spring is stretched? That can't be right, but I'm not sure what else to put in there...
 
yes, x is the distance a spring is compressed (from equilibrium)
 
Okay, so:
1/2 x 20 x 1.3^2 = 1/2 (5) v1 ^2 + (3) v2 ^2
16.9 = 1/2 5 v1^2 + 1/2 3 v2^2
33.8 = 5 v1^2 + 3 v2^2

Also, 5v1 = 3v2 because of conservation of momentum.
So substituting 5/3 V1 in for V2 will hopefully result in being able to solve for V1.

33.8 = 5V1^2 + 3 (5/3V1)^2 right?
I don't see that I'm any closer to solving for V1...
 
TG3 said:
Okay, so:
1/2 x 20 x 1.3^2 = 1/2 (5) v1 ^2 + (3) v2 ^2
16.9 = 1/2 5 v1^2 + 1/2 3 v2^2
33.8 = 5 v1^2 + 3 v2^2

Also, 5v1 = 3v2 because of conservation of momentum.
So substituting 5/3 V1 in for V2 will hopefully result in being able to solve for V1.

33.8 = 5V1^2 + 3 (5/3V1)^2 right?
I don't see that I'm any closer to solving for V1...

Right. You can substitute one variable into the other equation which will allow you to solve for the other variable. (substituting in v1 solves for v2 and vice versa). You have one equation only with V1, so just solve it for V1. It's really just algebra at this point, you've got the physics down pat.
 

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