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The discussion revolves around verifying Avogadro's constant, specifically the number of atoms or molecules in one mole of a substance, which is defined as 6.0225 x 10^23. The context includes a homework problem from a physics textbook, with participants exploring the definition and implications of this constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that one mole is defined as an amount equal to 6.0225 x 10^23 of any substance, and that an atomic mass unit (AMU) is defined such that 6.0225 x 10^23 AMUs equals one gram.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the definition of a mole is related to carbon-12, it is applicable to any substance, as the definition is based on the number of entities in a specific mass of carbon-12.
  • A later reply provides a more formal definition of a mole, emphasizing its relation to the number of atoms in 0.012 kilograms of carbon-12.
  • One participant expresses that they have resolved their confusion regarding the problem after receiving guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of a mole and its relation to Avogadro's constant, but there is some discussion regarding the applicability of this definition to different substances and isotopes, indicating a lack of consensus on certain nuances.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of using carbon-12 as a reference for defining moles and the potential differences in atomic mass for various isotopes.

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Homework Statement



One mole of a substance is defined as an amount, in grams, numerically equal to its molecular mass expressed in amu. (when we refer to a chemical element and not a compound, we use the atomic mass.) Verify that the number of molecules (or atoms) in one mole of any substance is the same, and is equal to 6.0225 x 10^23. This number, called Avogadro's constant, is a very important physical constant.

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I've just started trying to learn physics, and this problem appeared in one of the questions that are at the end of each chapter.
The book is "Alonso-Finn Fundamental University Physics. Book 1: Mechanics"
The question is question number 2.8
I am taking a physics course next year and would like to learn as much as I can before I go into the class.

Homework Equations


Avogadro's Constant: 6.0225x10^23

Not sure what else is needed.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've attempted a couple times but, I am not sure how to set up an equation properly as to get a result. The problem states that it will work with any substance, although I've been told that it only works for carbon-12? [6.0225x10^23 = 1 gram so 1 gram X 12amu = 12grams]

Any and all help to point me in the right direction is appreciated!

Thanks, John.
 
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Hi, welcome to PF.
Sounds like a bit of a circular argument.
1 mole is defined as 6.02E23 of anything, and an AMU is defined so that 6.02e23 of them is a gram.

The carbon bit is mostly for convenience. Atoms come in different isotopes with different nuber of nuetrons and so different AMU masses. Carbon is handy because its mostly C12 and its (farily) easy to separate out other isotopes
 


mgb_phys said:
1 mole is defined as 6.02E23 of anything, and an AMU is defined so that 6.02e23 of them is a gram.

Not exactly - mole is so far defined as

The mole is the amount of substance of a system which contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in 0.012 kilogram of carbon 12; its symbol is “mol”.

(see http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8_en.pdf)

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I've figured it out! Quite simple once I was pushed in the right direction.

Molar mass constant/ avogadro's constant or M(subscript)u/N(subscript)a
 

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