Very Simple Conceptual Question About Rolling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of the velocity of the contact point of a rolling wheel relative to a stationary observer. Participants explore the principles of rolling motion, focusing on the instantaneous velocity at the point of contact with the ground.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the velocity of the contact point of a rolling wheel, arguing that since the wheel translates horizontally, the contact point must have a non-zero velocity.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the average velocity is not zero, at the exact moment of contact, the velocity of that point is zero, although it experiences non-zero acceleration.
  • A third participant distinguishes between the instantaneous velocity of the contact point and the surface speed of the wheel, stating that the contact point moves at the same speed as the wheel, but its speed relative to the ground is zero at the moment of contact.
  • Additional resources, such as links to images and articles, are provided to support the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the velocity of the contact point is zero at the instant of contact, but there is some contention regarding the interpretation of velocity and the definitions used in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions of 'contact point' and 'contact patch', as well as the implications of instantaneous versus average velocity in the context of rolling motion.

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Hello everybody,
I am having a hard time understanding a very simple principle involving a rolling wheel. I know that the velocity at the bottom "contact point" of a rolling wheel is zero relative to a stationary observer.. yet I don't see how this is true.
So I made a quick sketch and here is my reasoning: As the wheel rolls, it translates horizontally over time. The contact point is no exception. Thus it must have a non-zero velocity, otherwise the wheel is stationary. Basically, the 'delta d'/dt will give the velocity of the contact point, which is non-zero. Why am I wrong? Any light anybody could shed on the matter would be much appreciated!
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At any instantaneous moment in time, the relative speed of point of the surface of the wheel in contact the ground is zero, this is different than the 'contact point', which is the point where the wheel touches the ground independent of movment at the wheels surface. The 'contact point' (often called 'contact patch' in the case of tires) moves at the same speed as the wheel. The wheel surface speed relative to the center of the wheel is the same as the speed of the wheel wrt the ground. The surface speed at the bottom of the wheel wrt ground is zero, while the surface speed at the of the wheel wrt ground is 2 times the wheels speed wrt ground.
 
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Hello Derezzed! Welcome to PF! :smile:

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycloid" , including the .gif :wink:
 
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Thanks everybody for the quick and effective responses!
 

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