Volume of a bubble rising in a lake

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An air bubble with an initial volume of 20 cm³ rises from a depth of 40 m in a lake, experiencing a temperature change from 4.0°C to 20°C. The pressure at the bottom includes atmospheric pressure plus the pressure from the water column, while the pressure at the surface is just atmospheric pressure. The final volume of the bubble can be calculated using the formula V_f=V_i(T_f/T_i)(P_initial/P_final), which accounts for temperature and pressure changes. The discussion emphasizes the importance of atmospheric pressure in determining the bubble's final volume. Understanding these principles is crucial for solving similar physics problems.
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Homework Statement


An air bubble of volume 20 cm^3 is at the bottom of a lake 40 m deep, where the temperature is 4.0°C. The bubble rises to the surface, which is at a temperature of 20°C. Take the temperature of the bubble’s air to be the same as that of the surrounding water. Just as the bubble reaches the surface, what is its volume?

Homework Equations


PV=kT
ΔP=40ρg

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand how the answer doesn't depend on the atmospheric pressure. If the atmospheric pressure were greater, then wouldn't the change in volume be smaller?
 
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Nathanael said:
bottom of a lake 40 m deep,
Nathanael said:
rises to the surface
 
Right... But that only gives you the difference in pressure. Isn't the atmospheric pressure still relevant?
 
Yes. What are the initial and final pressures? Don't feel that adding the "stack" is an unjustified ad hoc step to take. Pressure is the result of the sum of all masses above a certain point x "g."
 
Initial pressure would be P_{atm}+40ρg (where ρ is the density of water) and the final pressure would be P_{atm}

This gives me a final volume of V_f=V_i(\frac{T_f}{T_i})(\frac{P_{atm}+40ρg}{P_{atm}})
 
That's the way to play it. Hopefully whoever wrote the problem remembered it the same way.
 
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