Volume of a mole of air 15km above sea level

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To calculate the volume of one mole of air at 15 km altitude, the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) is applied, with the need to adjust for lower pressure at that altitude. The average molecular mass of air is given as 29 amu, and the temperature is 0 degrees Celsius. An alternative equation, P = P0 exp(-mgy/kbT), is suggested to account for the change in pressure due to altitude. The discussion emphasizes the integration of both equations to find the volume, although the user expresses uncertainty about how to incorporate altitude effectively. Overall, the focus is on applying the ideal gas law while considering the effects of altitude on pressure.
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Homework Statement



one mole of an ideal gas takes up 0.0225m3 at 0 degrees celsius and 1.01x10(5) pascals. (calculated)
hence, calculate the volume of 1 mole of air (ideal) at an altitude of 15km above sea level.
average molecular mass of air = 29 amu.
T @ altitude of 15km = 0 degrees C.

Homework Equations



I used pv=nrt for the first part.
another equation i can find is

M = m N A
where M is the mass of the mole in kg, m is the atomic mass unit in kg, N is the atomic mass, and A is avogadros constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



volume of a mole of air can be calculated using pv=nrt, rearranged for v which is v=nrt/p.
however, i have no idea how to bring the altitude into it!

thanks for help!

Edit: Perhaps equation P = P0 exp (-mgy/k(b) t)?
where m = average molecular mass in kg, g = acceleration due to gravity, y = altitude in m, kb is boltzmanns constant and t is temperature?
but I'm not sure where to find volume.
 
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wannabero said:

Homework Statement



one mole of an ideal gas takes up 0.0225m3 at 0 degrees celsius and 1.01x10(5) pascals. (calculated)
hence, calculate the volume of 1 mole of air (ideal) at an altitude of 15km above sea level.
average molecular mass of air = 29 amu.
T @ altitude of 15km = 0 degrees C.

Homework Equations



I used pv=nrt for the first part.
another equation i can find is

M = m N A
where M is the mass of the mole in kg, m is the atomic mass unit in kg, N is the atomic mass, and A is avogadros constant.




The Attempt at a Solution



volume of a mole of air can be calculated using pv=nrt, rearranged for v which is v=nrt/p.
however, i have no idea how to bring the altitude into it!

thanks for help!




Edit: Perhaps equation P = P0 exp (-mgy/k(b) t)?
where m = average molecular mass in kg, g = acceleration due to gravity, y = altitude in m, kb is boltzmanns constant and t is temperature?
but I'm not sure where to find volume.
Your "EDIT" formula looks promising; Use it in conjunction with the pv = nRt that you mentioned earlier.
 
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