Volume of cylinder bounded by two dependent planes, ideas?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume bounded by a cylinder defined by the equation x²+y²=1 and two planes, x+z=1 and y-z=-1. Participants are exploring the complexities of setting up the triple integral in cylindrical coordinates due to the interaction of the planes within the cylindrical volume.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral and the bounds used, questioning the correctness of their approach. There is mention of the planes intersecting within the cylinder and how this affects the volume calculation. Some participants suggest dividing the problem into regions based on the projections in the xy-plane.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the intersections of the planes and how to approach the integral setup. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still verifying their calculations and interpretations.

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Homework Statement


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Calculate the volume bounded by the plane/cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes x+z=1 and y-z=-1.

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It is pretty basic triple integral in cylindrical coordinates. For some reason, I can't get the right answer. I'm using bounds: 1-x ≤ z ≤ y + 1, -3π/4 ≤ θ ≤ π/4, 0 ≤ r ≤ 1.

The shape is a cylindrical wedge of sorts but it is so twisted I'm not sure this is correct. Any ideas?
 
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dude899 said:

Homework Statement


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Calculate the volume bounded by the plane/cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes x+z=1 and y-z=-1.

Homework Equations

/ The attempt at a solution[/B]

It is pretty basic triple integral in cylindrical coordinates. For some reason, I can't get the right answer. I'm using bounds: 1-x ≤ z ≤ y + 1, -3π/4 ≤ θ ≤ π/4, 0 ≤ r ≤ 1.

The shape is a cylindrical wedge of sorts but it is so twisted I'm not sure this is correct. Any ideas?

This is a tricky problem. The problem is that the two planes cross each other inside the cylinder. If you set the z values equal you get ##y = -x##. If you look at the projection in the ##xy## plane that line divides the circle into two regions, $$-\frac \pi 4 \le \theta \le \frac {3\pi} 4 \text{ and }\frac {3\pi} 4 \le \theta \le \frac{7\pi} 4$$I think you will find that in the first region ##z=1+y## is the upper surface and in the second region ##z=1-x## is the upper surface. Work out the integrals for those two cases and see if that helps.

Edit, added: Here's a picture. It isn't oriented in the usual direction in order to get a nice view of it. But you can see the shape of it:
picture.jpg
 
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Ok, so I get that the volume would then be Vtot = V1 + V2 = (2 * √(2)) / 3 + (2 * √(2)) / 3 = (4 * √(2)) / 3

Is this correct, does someone get different answers?
 
dude899 said:
Ok, so I get that the volume would then be Vtot = V1 + V2 = (2 * √(2)) / 3 + (2 * √(2)) / 3 = (4 * √(2)) / 3

Is this correct, does someone get different answers?

Not quite what I got. Let's see your integrals.
[Edit] Woops! Cancel that. I agree with your answers.
 

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