News Was Saddam's Downfall an Easy Victory for Bush and Blair?

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The discussion centers on the unexpected ease of the military campaign against Saddam Hussein, with participants noting that the regime's collapse was quicker than anticipated. There is a consensus that the challenge lies not in winning the war but in establishing peace afterward. Contributors express skepticism about the media's predictions, highlighting a tendency for sensationalism rather than accurate forecasting. They argue that the media's portrayal of the conflict often exaggerated the potential for prolonged violence and chaos, which did not materialize. The conversation also touches on the roles of key figures like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, and Blair in post-war planning, emphasizing the need for effective strategies to ensure stability in Iraq following the regime change. Overall, the thread reflects on the contrast between the actual military outcome and the media's narrative leading up to the conflict.
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Talk about an anticlimax. This war was easy. Bush and Blair were right. Saddam had to go. And he went.
 
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Winning the war was never a question. It is winning the peace that will be a challenge.

Njorl
 
Everyone was surprised at how easily the regime crumbled. I hope Rumsfeld and Wolfawitz are as good at planning peace, and that they start to listen to Colin Powell and Tony Blair.
 
Originally posted by N_Quire
Everyone was surprised at how easily the regime crumbled.
Except maybe the media who a week ago was saying how everyone was surprised at how tough it was. I wonder if now they are surprised that it was so easy as well. And does that mean they are surprised that they were surprised that it was surprisingly easy? I'm surprised that everyone is so surprised that it went surprisingly easily. I'm not surprised.

I hope Rumsfeld and Wolfawitz are as good at planning peace, and that they start to listen to Colin Powell and Tony Blair.
Well Bush did put Powell (as is traditional) in charge of the reconstruction and not Rumsfeld.
 
Thanks, Russ for pointing out the obvious about the media(not that they would EVER admit it). Anyone with half a brain knew this was going to be easy. Let's thank the protesters for their work, because I think they were instrumental in lessening the 'shock and awe' thing that never quite happened. The troops did a mostly good job, but I don't know how much actual training in this sort of thing that they actually got.
 
The media changes its opinions as often as Katie Couric smiles. We have read of a war that would last a week, six months, years; that Baghdad would involve bloody and fierce fighting, chemical weapons, suicide bombers. It turned out that Saddam was all smoke and hot air.
 
It is the media's business to accurately predict the future, and be suprised when it happens. Nobody wants to watch news that everyone was expecting, nor do they want to be informed by dummies who couldn't see it coming. It's a paradox. Where's Wu Li?

Njorl
 
Obviously Saddam never had any kind of chance, though I thought the house to house fighting would have been worse. I notice from all this that there were no chemical warheads launched, no nuclear strikes, I never even heard of a scud being fired. More like a superpower steamrolling a forthrate regime that couldn't even defend itself.

I feel so much safer now that Hitler has been disposed.
 
i heard of a few scuds being fired, but that is from idiots who didn't know what they were talking about. also yes; it is like the varsity football team had its way with the chess club; woo-frickin-who.
 
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Originally posted by Njorl
It is the media's business to accurately predict the future, and be suprised when it happens. Nobody wants to watch news that everyone was expecting, nor do they want to be informed by dummies who couldn't see it coming. It's a paradox. Where's Wu Li?

Njorl
Is that first sentence how you meant to word that? "Accurately?" You're not serious, are you? The media's job (as they see it) is to SENSATIONALIZE the possibilities for the future. They don't "predict," they speculate. And the wilder the better. That maximizes the "surprise" when the predictions don't pan out. Two stories for the price of one. Not that I'm jaded or anything... :wink:
 

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