Waves- sending a pulse across a weighted line

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving waves and the transmission of a pulse across a weighted line, with particular focus on the forces involved and the impact of the weights on the system. Participants express uncertainty about incorporating the weight of blocks into calculations and the relevance of angles in determining tension.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the challenge of integrating the weight of blocks into the equations, questioning how to calculate tension without knowing the angles. There is also mention of using lengths derived from the problem setup but uncertainty about how to apply these values effectively.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing corrections and suggestions. Some express a need for a clearer conceptual understanding of how to connect various values and variables, while others indicate that angles can be derived through trigonometric relationships, although their necessity remains uncertain.

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There is mention of specific values and variables, but participants acknowledge a lack of clarity regarding their application. The problem appears to impose constraints related to the angles and the weights involved, which are under discussion.

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Homework Statement
A light string with a mass of 10.2 g and a length L=3.40 m has its ends tied to two walls that are separated by the distance D=1.85 m. Two objects, each with a mass M=1.83 kg, are suspended from the string, as shown in the figure below.

If a wave pulse is sent from point A, how long (in milliseconds) does it take for it to travel to point B?
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I was trying to use f=1/2LSqrt(Ftension/u)
or there is also v=sqrt(Ftension/u)

lambda=2L/m

v= f/lambda
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Here is a picture of the problem:

I honestly am pretty lost, I'm not looking for an answer, more so an idea to get me started. But here is what I was thinking:

In the equation above I was trying to use:
For U I am unsure how to incorporate the weight of the blocks into the u, so I am unsure how to calculate that.

For the Force of tension- I am unsure if you are able to solve for this, as we don’t know any of the angles.

I would then use that to plug into the second equation to find V, then divide that by (L/2) <---the distance.
 
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Couple of comments

Eaoke3 said:
A light string with a mass of 10.210.2 g
That number has too many decimal points
Eaoke3 said:
... we don’t know any of the angles.
Of course you do. A bit of calculation is required, sure, but you DO have them.
 
I corrected it, thank you :- ).

Ohh, well using the L and its corresponding dividing value, I would be able to obtain lengths, but from there I am unsure of how to apply those numbers into anything useful.

I can see that I have different values and variables, but I really think I am missing a big conceptual picture of how to put them all together.
 
Eaoke3 said:
I corrected it, thank you :- ).

Ohh, well using the L and its corresponding dividing value, I would be able to obtain lengths, but from there I am unsure of how to apply those numbers into anything useful.
Can you not see how to use trig to get the angles? I don't know if they are needed to solve the problem but if they are you can get them.
 

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