What is the area of the parallelogram enclosed by a pair of straight lines?

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of the parallelogram enclosed by a pair of straight lines represented by specific quadratic equations. Participants explore the conditions under which these equations represent lines and the implications for calculating the area, involving concepts from conic sections and discriminants.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in finding the area of the parallelogram enclosed by two given quadratic equations.
  • Another suggests starting by determining the points of intersection of the lines represented by the equations.
  • It is noted that for the equations to represent lines, the terms $x^2$, $xy$, and $y^2$ should not appear, indicating constraints on the coefficients.
  • A detailed derivation is provided, showing that if the equations represent straight lines, the area can be expressed in terms of the discriminant $\Delta$ and the coefficients of the equations, leading to the formula $A = \dfrac{2|c|}{\sqrt{-\Delta}}$.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a more conceptual proof of the area result using only the original coefficients.
  • Another participant clarifies a misunderstanding about the nature of the equations, emphasizing that each equation represents a pair of lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the equations and the conditions necessary for them to represent lines. There is no consensus on a more conceptual proof of the area calculation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationships between the coefficients and the conditions for the equations to represent straight lines, as well as the implications for the area calculation.

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If each of the equations ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0 and ax^2+2hxy+by^2-2gx-2fy+c=0 represents a pair of straight lines , find the area of the parallelogram enclosed by them .

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You should start by looking at the points of intersections of lines ...
 
You should note that if these are lines, none of the terms $x^2, xy$ and $y^2$ should appear. This should tell you something about their respective coefficients. :)
 
suvadip said:
If each of the equations $ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0$ and $ax^2+2hxy+by^2-2gx-2fy+c=0$ represents a pair of straight lines, find the area of the parallelogram enclosed by them.
If the conic $ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0$ represents a pair of straight lines then it must be of the form $(lx+my+n)(px+qy+r)=0$, where (comparing coefficients) $a = lp$, $h = \frac12(lq+mp)$, $b = mq$, ..., $c = nr.$ The conic $ax^2+2hxy+by^2-2gx-2fy+c=0$ is then given by $(lx+my-n)(px+qy-r)=0.$

The answer to a question of this sort is almost sure to involve the discriminant $\Delta \mathrel{\overset{\text{def}}{=}}\begin{vmatrix}a&h \\h&b \end{vmatrix}$, so it would be worth finding this in terms of $l,m,n,p,q,r$. For a conic representing two straight lines, the discriminant is always negative, and in this case you can check that $$\Delta = \begin{vmatrix}lp & \tfrac12(lq+mp) \\ \tfrac12(lq+mp) & mq \end{vmatrix} = -\tfrac14(lq-mp)^2.$$ The line $lx+my+n = 0$ meets the lines $px+qy \pm r = 0$ at the points $\bigl(\frac{\pm mr-nq}{lq-mp},\frac{\pm lr-np}{lq-mp}\bigr)$, and the distance between those two points is $\left|\dfrac{2r\sqrt{l^2+m^2}}{lq-mp}\right|.$ So that is the length of one side of the parallelogram.

The perpendicular distance between the parallel lines $lx+my\pm n = 0$ is $\left|\dfrac{2n}{\sqrt{l^2+m^2}}\right|.$ So that is the distance between opposite sides of the parallelogram. The area $A$ of the parallelogram is therefore $$\left|\dfrac{2r\sqrt{l^2+m^2}}{lq-mp}\,\dfrac{2n}{\sqrt{l^2+m^2}}\right| = \left|\frac{2nr}{\frac12(lq-mp)}\right|.$$ In terms of the original coefficients, we can write this as $\boxed{A = \dfrac{2|c|}{\sqrt{-\Delta}}}.$

I think that there ought to be a more conceptual proof of this result, using only the original coefficients $a,h,b,g,f,c$, but I do not see one.
 
Fantini said:
You should note that if these are lines, none of the terms $x^2, xy$ and $y^2$ should appear. This should tell you something about their respective coefficients. :)
I think you are misunderstanding the question. Each equation represents a pair of lines. For example a^2x^2- b^2y^2= (ax- by)(ax+by)= 0 gives the lines ax- by= 0 and ax+ by= 0.
 
Thank you Halls. I was! :)
 

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