What is the Correct Calculation for Sam's Speed at the Bottom of the Slope?

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The discussion revolves around calculating Sam's speed at the bottom of a slope, given his mass, the height of the slope, and the coefficient of kinetic friction. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of a specific formula for speed, questioning the accuracy of their calculations and the order of operations. There are attempts to break down the formula algebraically and concerns about potential errors in calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning each other's methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the order of operations, and there is a recognition of the need to verify calculations for accuracy.

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There is mention of a specific formula that may need to be memorized, and participants express uncertainty about its origin and application in exams. Concerns about calculation methods and potential errors are also noted.

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Homework Statement


Sam, whose mass is 75 kg, stands at the top of a 12-m-high, 100-m-long snow-covered slope. His skis have a coefficient of kinetic friction on snow of 0.07. If he uses his poles to get started, then glides down, what is his speed at the bottom?

Homework Equations


v = √(2g(h-μk√(L2-h2)))

The Attempt at a Solution


It seems as simple as plugging in the values into the equation, but my result isn't anywhere near what it should be.
From my understanding:
g = 9.8
h = 12m
L = 100m
μk = 0.07

v = √(2(9.8)(12-0.07√(1002-122))) = 152.36
152.36 m/s? That seems a bit much to me. The back of my book says that it is 9.9 m/s, but how do I get there?
What did I mess up on?
 
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defaultusername said:
v = √(2g(h-μk√(L2-h2)))
This is a very specialized formula! (Is this sort of formula supplied for you on exams?)

v = √(2(9.8)(12-0.07√(1002-122))) = 152.36
When I calculate the left side, I don't get 152.36. Make sure you are doing the calculation correctly using your calculator.
 
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Yeah we have to memorize it. I have no idea where it came from lol

When I punch it into my calculator I get the same answer. So I tried breaking it down algebraically as follows.
I still ended up with the same weird number.

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Am I plugging the values into the wrong places?
 
See if you can spot the error in going from the 3rd to the 4th line. "Order of operations" is important here.
 
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Rather than multiply, I take the 11.93th root of 9856?

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When I plug it into my calculator I get the correct answer, but I am concerned that when I do it by hand I am going to mess it up. :/
 
How would you evaluate ##9 - 2 \cdot 3##

You have a subtraction and a multiplication. Which operation should you do first?
 
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Oh! Duh!
Thank you!
 

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