What is the Definition of a Derivation for a Lie Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a derivation in the context of Lie algebras, exploring its properties and connections to associative algebras and Lie groups. Participants examine the implications of the Jacobi identity and the notation used in Lie algebra operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a derivation D on an algebra A satisfies the property D(ab) = (Da)b + a(Db), questioning how this relates to the operation defined by the map ad_x: y \mapsto [x,y].
  • There is a suggestion that the brackets in the expression for ad_x indicate multiplication in the Lie algebra, prompting further inquiry into the definition of a derivation for Lie algebras.
  • One participant notes that the identity involving ad_x demonstrates that it is indeed a derivation, while also connecting associative algebras to Lie algebras through the concept of a Lie bracket.
  • A question is raised about whether a unique form of the Lie bracket exists for a given Lie group, or if multiple Lie algebras can correspond to the same Lie group.
  • Participants discuss the existence of non-associative algebras, with an example provided using the cross product in R^3, illustrating that the cross product does not satisfy the associative property.
  • There is a clarification regarding the relationship between Lie groups and Lie algebras, with one participant retracting a question about the nature of Lie groups after realizing a misunderstanding.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the definition and properties of derivations in Lie algebras, as well as the relationship between Lie groups and Lie algebras. No consensus is reached on the uniqueness of the Lie bracket corresponding to a Lie group or the implications of non-associative algebras.

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Participants acknowledge that the definitions and properties discussed may depend on specific assumptions about the algebraic structures involved, such as whether they are associative or non-associative.

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Loosely speaking a derivation D is defined as a function on an algebra A that has the property D(ab) = (Da)b + a(Db).

Now, if we define the map [math]ad_x: y \mapsto [x,y] [/math] and apply this to the Jacobi identity we get [math]ad_x[y,z] = [ ad_x(y),z ] + [ y, ad_x(z) ] [/math]. This does not look quite like the definition of the derivation given above. It is considered a derivation because of the ordering inside the brackets? Or does is this simply the definition of a derivation for a Lie algebra?

Ooh! Wait a minute. The brackets are there because multiplication in the Lie algebra is given by [math] [,]: L \times L \mapsto L[/math]? (My notes are not clear that this is to represent multiplication.)

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
Loosely speaking a derivation D is defined as a function on an algebra A that has the property D(ab) = (Da)b + a(Db).

Now, if we define the map [math]ad_x: y \mapsto [x,y] [/math] and apply this to the Jacobi identity we get [math]ad_x[y,z] = [ ad_x(y),z ] + [ y, ad_x(z) ] [/math]. This does not look quite like the definition of the derivation given above. It is considered a derivation because of the ordering inside the brackets? Or does is this simply the definition of a derivation for a Lie algebra?

Ooh! Wait a minute. The brackets are there because multiplication in the Lie algebra is given by [math] [,]: L \times L \mapsto L[/math]? (My notes are not clear that this is to represent multiplication.)

-Dan

Hi Dan,

It is common to use brackets to represent multiplication in a Lie algebra. The identity you have above for $ad_x$ shows that $ad_x$ is a derivation.

Here's something to keep in mind. Suppose $A$ is an associative algebra. Define $[x, y]$ to be the additive commutator $xy - yx$. Then $[x, x] = 0$ for all $x\in A$ and Jacobi's identity is satisfied with $[\, ,\,]$. So $[\, ,\,]$ is a Lie bracket on $A$, and $(A, [\, ,\,])$ is a Lie algebra. This gives a connection between associative algebras and Lie algebras.
 
Thank you for the reply. I didn't think of it until later but this explains the notations in some of the more arcane set of proofs in my QFT texts.

One further question. The definition of a Lie group on set L gives a multiplicative operation [math]m: L \times L \to L[/math]. Does this imply a unique form of [,] in the Lie algebra or can we have more than one Lie algebra corresponding to a given Lie group?

-Dan

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This gives a connection between associative algebras and Lie algebras.

There are non-associative algebras??
 
topsquark said:
Thank you for the reply. I didn't think of it until later but this explains the notations in some of the more arcane set of proofs in my QFT texts.

One further question. The definition of a Lie group on set L gives a multiplicative operation [math]m: L \times L \to L[/math].

What do you mean by a "Lie group on set L"?

topsquark said:
There are non-associative algebras??

Yes. Here's one that you'll be familiar with. Consider $\Bbb R^3$ with multiplication defined by the cross product. This defines an algebra over $\Bbb R$. Let $\textbf{u} = (2, 3, 1)$, $\textbf{v} = (1, 0, 2)$, and $\textbf{w} = (0, 0, 1)$. Then $\textbf{u} \times (\textbf{v} \times \textbf{w}) = (2, 3, 1) \times (0, -1, 0) = (1, 0, -2)$ and $(\textbf{u} \times \textbf{v}) \times \textbf{w} = (6,-3,-3) \times (0,0,1) = (-3,-6,0)$. Therefore, $\textbf{u} \times (\textbf{v} \times \textbf{w}) \neq (\textbf{u} \times \textbf{v}) \times \textbf{w}$. Geometrically speaking, the cross products $\textbf{u} \times (\textbf{v} \times \textbf{w})$ and $(\textbf{u} \times \textbf{v}) \times \textbf{w}$ lie in different planes in general, so they are usually not equal.

To every algebra $A$ there corresponds a (multilinear) ternary operation $[\cdot, \cdot, \cdot] : A \times A \times A \to A$, called the $\textit{associator}$, defined by $[x,y,z] = (xy)z - x(yz)$. Of course, the associator of $A$ is trivial if and only if $A$ is associative. Make sure not to assume algebras are associative in your texts unless mentioned otherwise.
 
Euge said:
What do you mean by a "Lie group on set L"?
Sorry. It was a badly worded question anyway but apparently I was so set on assuming that a Lie algebra was created from a Lie group that I didn't see that the definition says that a Lie algebra is created from a vector space. Please ignore the question.

-Dan
 

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