What is the difference between the centre of pressure and the centroid?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of the centre of pressure (COP) and the centroid in the context of fluid mechanics, specifically regarding the forces acting on a vertical plane submerged in a liquid. Participants are exploring the differences in how these points relate to the calculation of thrust and equilibrium conditions for submerged surfaces.

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  • Participants are questioning the definitions and roles of the centre of pressure and centroid in calculating thrust. There are attempts to reconcile textbook definitions with practical implications of force application and equilibrium. Some participants seek clarification on the discrepancies between their understanding and established literature.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the implications of applying forces at the centre of pressure versus the centroid. There is an exploration of the moment balance required for equilibrium, indicating a productive examination of the concepts involved. However, there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations being discussed.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions and applications of the centre of pressure and centroid, suggesting that there may be assumptions or missing information that need to be addressed. References to textbooks are made, but specific titles are not provided.

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The name "centre of pressure (COP)" indicates representative pressure will act through this point for a vertical plane inside liquid.
If so, then total thrust= vertical area of the plane x pressure at COP.
But this does not match with the books.
All books say, total force (the thrust)= vertical area of the plane X pressure at centroid.
I do not understand this.
 
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Kiran Bose said:
The name "centre of pressure (COP)" indicates representative pressure will act through this point for a vertical plane inside liquid.
If so, then total thrust= vertical area of the plane x pressure at COP.
But this does not match with the books.
All books say, total force (the thrust)= vertical area of the plane X pressure at centroid.
I do not understand this.

Please name some of these books.
 
Kiran Bose said:
[Moderator's note: This thread was created by moving posts from another thread, hence no homework template]

The name "centre of pressure (COP)" indicates representative pressure will act through this point for a vertical plane inside liquid.
If so, then total thrust= vertical area of the plane x pressure at COP.
But this does not match with the books.
All books say, total force (the thrust)= vertical area of the plane X pressure at centroid.
I do not understand this.
The force on the vertical plane will indeed be equal to the vertical area times the pressure at the centroid. However, if a force of this magnitude were applied on the opposite side of the plate to try to keep it in equilibrium, the plate would not be in equilibrium; it would rotate. This is because the moment balance on the plate (treated as a rigid body) would not be satisfied. In order to satisfy the moment balance, the force would have to be applied somewhat below the centroid (at 1/3 of the way up). This is because the average pressure on the bottom half of the plate is higher than the average pressure on the top half of the plate.
 
Kiran Bose said:
The name "centre of pressure (COP)" indicates representative pressure will act through this point
Not representative pressure, no.
As Chestermiller posts, a "representative" force acts at the centre of pressure, in the sense that if you were to insert a rigid plate in that vertical plane and apply the right force at that point then equilibrium would be achieved against the forces on the other side of the plate.
If by "representative pressure" you mean total force divided by area then that equals the pressure to be found at the centroid.
 

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