What is the distance a particle has moved if I know the work done

[Psinter]

Homework Statement

I was asked to find the distance a particle had traveled and was given its integral solved, except the upper limit was an equation.

(x^2+2x) is the force in pounds that acts on the particle

Homework Equations

\int_{0}^{x^2+2}(x^2+2x)dx = 108

The Attempt at a Solution

I know I must find what number the top limit equation equals, but I've been inserting random numbers with no success. Also, I don't know if it is possible to find the value of x and plug it in. This is ridiculous, why couldn't they just give me the integral with the limits and I solve it.

 

[alanlu]

What is the integral of x² + 2x?

 

[Psinter]

What is the integral of x² + 2x?

Its \frac{1}{3}x^3+x^2

 

[Ray Vickson]

Homework Statement

I was asked to find the distance a particle had traveled and was given its integral solved, except the upper limit was an equation.

(x^2+2x) is the force in pounds that acts on the particle

Homework Equations

\int_{0}^{x^2+2}(x^2+2x)dx = 108

The Attempt at a Solution

I know I must find what number the top limit equation equals, but I've been inserting random numbers with no success. Also, I don't know if it is possible to find the value of x and plug it in. This is ridiculous, why couldn't they just give me the integral with the limits and I solve it.

Maybe the problem is poor notation; this problem's notation is terrible--it double-uses the symbol x. Much better: write \int_{0}^{x^2+2}(x'^2+2x')dx' = 108, which makes it clear what is the integration variable (x') and what is the unknown (x).

RGV

 

[Psinter]

Maybe the problem is poor notation; this problem's notation is terrible--it double-uses the symbol x. Much better: write \int_{0}^{x^2+2}(x'^2+2x')dx' = 108, which makes it clear what is the integration variable (x') and what is the unknown (x).

RGV

I see what you did there, but how does that makes it easier to solve? I still don't know what to do.

Rewinding everything I know:

The force exerted on the particle: (x'^2+2x')

The initial point of the particle: 0

The distance traveled by the particle (that's my upper limit) given by: (x^2+2)

And the total work done by the particle after traveling the distance I'm looking for: 108

Still not helps writing all that. How can I find the upper limit value or the x value to plug it in and get 108 as answer?

 

[alanlu]

I agree with RGV. It may be easier to think about using a different variable name for the integral than the x you're trying to solve for.

Try plugging in the limits of integration as if you are evaluating the integral.

 

[Psinter]

I agree with RGV. It may be easier to think about using a different variable name for the integral than the x you're trying to solve for.

Try plugging in the limits of integration as if you are evaluating the integral.

I kept trying putting in random values and found that the upper value must be 6. In other words:
\int_{0}^{6}(x'^2+2x')dx' = 108,
However, isn't there a process to reach that? I did it by brute force.

 

[Ray Vickson]

I kept trying putting in random values and found that the upper value must be 6. In other words:
\int_{0}^{6}(x'^2+2x')dx' = 108,
However, isn't there a process to reach that? I did it by brute force.

You have already evaluated the indefinite integral F(x') = \int(x'^2 + 2x')\, dx'. Using your formula for F, what would be \int_0^a (x'^2 + 2x') \,dx'? What is preventing you from substituting in a = x^2 + 2? Mind you, the final result will not be pretty, but it gives you a place to start.

RGV

 

[Drood]

Here's what I did, perhaps you may find the process of some use.

1) I computed the integral and applied the limits.
2) I know that the integral with the limit substitutions = 108
3) Now it's mostly a matter of expanding the terms and factoring to find solutions.
4) The only applicable solution I found was x=2
5) The upper limit with the x=2 substitution is indeed equal to 6.

Sorry for the short reply, I did it by hand and did the expansions and factoring by calculator since they were quite long. If you would like, I could write it out or post a picture of my solution if you did not understand my steps above.

Hope that helps,

Drood

 

[Psinter]

You have already evaluated the indefinite integral F(x') = \int(x'^2 + 2x')\, dx'. Using your formula for F, what would be \int_0^a (x'^2 + 2x') \,dx'? What is preventing you from substituting in a = x^2 + 2? Mind you, the final result will not be pretty, but it gives you a place to start.

RGV

It gives me x = 2, but I wonder if there is a rule or something for me to find that the value was 6 instead of doing it by guessing like I did.

Here's what I did, perhaps you may find the process of some use.

1) I computed the integral and applied the limits.
2) I know that the integral with the limit substitutions = 108
3) Now it's mostly a matter of expanding the terms and factoring to find solutions.
4) The only applicable solution I found was x=2
5) The upper limit with the x=2 substitution is indeed equal to 6.

Sorry for the short reply, I did it by hand and did the expansions and factoring by calculator since they were quite long. If you would like, I could write it out or post a picture of my solution if you did not understand my steps above.

Hope that helps,

Drood

Yes please, an image would help a lot. Thanks. Its just that its weird to have to solve it by guessing, but you seem to have some process there.

 

[Drood]

I hope you can read what I wrote. The site kills photo quality apparently and I didn't have enough time to copy it with my scanner.

Hope that helps,

Drood

 

[Psinter]

I hope you can read what I wrote. The site kills photo quality apparently and I didn't have enough time to copy it with my scanner.View attachment 44430

Hope that helps,

Drood

Oh, I understand what you did there. Thank you very much. I feel dumb now because you make it look so easy and it took me so long.