What is the limit for using the equation for deflection when m>M?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the equation for deflection, specifically relating to the maximum angle of deflection, is valid. The original poster questions the applicability of the equation when the mass m exceeds M, referencing a specific solution to illustrate their uncertainty.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the restriction of the equation to the condition mM. Some participants provide reasoning related to the mathematical limitations of the sine function and the implications of imaginary values in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the mathematical reasoning behind the restrictions on the values of m and M. Participants are engaging with the concepts and questioning the logic behind certain steps in the solution process. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been offered regarding the limitations of the sine function.

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Participants are navigating the implications of the equation's restrictions and the definitions involved in the problem. The original poster's reference to a specific solution indicates a reliance on external material, which may impose additional constraints on the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Hey, I was studying this problem and solution (by Rudy Arthur):

http://www.feynmanlectures.info/solutions/maximum_angle_deflection_sol_1.pdf

What I wasn't sure was why this solution only works for m<M. At which point did we restrict ourselves to m<M. How about when m>M?

Homework Equations



sin(theta) = m/M

The Attempt at a Solution



Clearly if m>M, the equation for deflection is undefined.

Thank you!
 
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Your question has the answer in itself!
The reason, the solution is correct only for m<M is because the value of sine of an angle cannot be greater than 1, as you have already said. Even if you do not take m<M, after you reach the equation 6, and you try to determine its extremal value, the expression 7 clearly indicated why you can't take m>M, if you do or your v1 will turn out to have an imaginary value, which is not possible!

It itself tells you that in this case for a maximum deflection angle of deflection to exist the value of m has to be less than M.
 
Hi Markus! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)

I don't understand the logic behind finding an extremum for θ from dθ/dv1 = 0 …

θ and v1 reach an extremum at the same time (I think), so he might as well say dv1/dθ = 0. :confused:
 
Thanks for the π²³ ∞ ° → ~ µ ρ σ τ ω ∑ … √ ∫ ≤ ≥ ± ∃ · θ φ ψ Ω α β γ δ ∂ ∆ ∇ ε λ Λ Γ ô, Tim!
 
Thanks for your responses. I understand.
 

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