What is the Minimum Altitude for Ice to Melt and the Best Engine Design?

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The discussion revolves around two problems: calculating the minimum altitude for a 1-kg block of ice melting in a lake and evaluating three engine designs based on their heat input and efficiency. To solve the first problem, the energy required to melt 0.01 kg of ice must be determined using the latent heat of fusion formula, which relates mass and energy. For the engine designs, the maximum efficiency between the given temperatures should be calculated to assess which design is optimal, with design B being favored due to its lower heat input requirement. Participants emphasize the importance of calculating rather than assuming values for accuracy. The conversation highlights the need for clear calculations in both scenarios to arrive at correct solutions.
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I was running through some problems, doing just fine, until I came across these two. I can't work out a correct solution. :cry:

1) A 1-kg block of ice at 0 C falls into a lake whose water is also at 0 C, and 0.01 kg of the ice melts. What was the minimum altitude from which the ice fell?

2) Three designs for an engine to operate between 450 K and 300 K are proposed. Design A is claimed to require a heat input of 800 J for each 1000 J of work output, design B a heat input of 2500 J, and design C a heat input of 3500J. Which design would you choose and why?
 
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Here are some hints that may help:
(1) How much energy is needed to melt that much ice? Where does that energy come from? (Consider gravitational potential energy.)
(2) What is the maximum possible efficiency of a heat engine operating between those two temperatures?
 
:confused: still can't get 'em
 
Show what you've done so far.
 
For the second, I'm assuming the max efficiency is about .33. So I would choose design B.

I have no clue of what to use for the first problem.
 
Farside said:
For the second, I'm assuming the max efficiency is about .33.
No need to assume it. Calculate it based on the temperatures.
So I would choose design B.
What is the stated efficiency of design B?

I have no clue of what to use for the first problem.
How much energy does it take to melt ice? Hint: Q = m L_f, where L_f is the "latent heat of fusion" for water.
 
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