What is the needle’s dipole moment?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dipole moment of a needle suspended in an electric field. The needle experiences a torque of 3.7 x 10^-4 N·m while the electric field has a magnitude of 3.7 x 10^3 N/C at a 30° angle. The formula for torque involving dipole moment and electric field is highlighted, but confusion arises regarding the correct application of the cross product. The calculation leads to a dipole moment of approximately 2.738 mC, but there are concerns about the directionality of the vector and the accuracy of the initial values. Ultimately, the participants seek clarification on the proper approach to assign direction to the dipole moment.
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A needle suspended from a string hangs horizontally. The electric field at the needle’s location is horizontal with a magnitude 3.7*103 N/C and is at an angle of 30° with the needle. There is no net electrical force acting on the needle, but the string exerts a torque of 3.7*10-3 to hold the needle in equilibrium. What is the needle’s dipole moment?

I know that <br /> \overrightarrow \tau = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} \,\,<br />

But I can't simply re-write it as <br /> \frac{{\overrightarrow \tau }}{{\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} }} = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \,\,\,\,<br />
, can I? I don't think you can do this to a cross-product. How can I solve for the dipole moment?
 
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You will only be able to that if p and E are perpendicular, in which case they are not. Do you remember how to find the magnitude of a cross product? Sin(x) maybe?mm?
 
I know its |A x B| = |A||B| sin(x). But in this problem, I don't know what A is. That's what I'm trying to solve for.

|A x B|
------- = |A|. This looks like a dead end.
|B|
 
how about
p=\frac{\tau}{sin(\theta) E} ?
 
If I do that, then I'm dividing units of Nm by N/C, which gives me mC. The book doesn't talk about this, and my class notes are not very good, but I think that is the right unit for dipole moment, meters*coulombs?

If so, I get 3.7e-4/sin(30) *3.7e3 = 2.738 mC for the answer.

If this is correct, don't go away, because I'm still not confident I understand this.
 
m*C are the correct units.
I see some inconsistencies in your signs and values for your exponents to the ones you stated originally.
 
Yes, my original question should have been 3.7*10^3 N/C and 3.7*10^-4 for torque. (I imagine you knew that 103 meant 10^3 :) )
 
t is a vector, and so is E. But in the division that got me 2.738 mc, I divided only their magnitudes. Was this right? I'm guessing they want p to be a vector with direction. It will either be into or out of the board. How do I know which?
 
Ok, now I follow your chain of logic. Thanks for your help. I've got a scalar as an answer, and I still need to assign it a direction. Any thoughts?

<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow \tau = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} \, \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right| = \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \overrightarrow \tau = \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta \,\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\,\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\, = \frac{{\,\overrightarrow \tau }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta }}\,\,\, \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\, = \frac{{3.7 \times 10^{ - 4} {\rm{N}} \cdot {\rm{m}}}}{{\sin \theta \cdot 3.7 \times 10^3 {\rm{N/C}}}} = 2.7{\rm{ C}} \cdot m \\ <br /> \,\,\,\, \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />
 
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