What is the needle’s dipole moment?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dipole moment of a needle suspended in an electric field. The needle is in equilibrium under the influence of a torque, and participants are exploring the relationship between torque, electric field, and dipole moment in the context of electric dipoles.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the torque equation and the cross product to relate torque, dipole moment, and electric field. There is uncertainty about how to manipulate these equations, particularly regarding the angle and the relationship between the magnitudes of the vectors involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the mathematical relationships involved, while others express confusion about the units and the direction of the dipole moment. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the calculations and the assumptions being made.

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Participants note inconsistencies in the values and units presented, and there is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the torque and electric field vectors. The original poster's understanding of the problem setup and the relationships between the quantities is still developing.

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A needle suspended from a string hangs horizontally. The electric field at the needle’s location is horizontal with a magnitude 3.7*103 N/C and is at an angle of 30° with the needle. There is no net electrical force acting on the needle, but the string exerts a torque of 3.7*10-3 to hold the needle in equilibrium. What is the needle’s dipole moment?

I know that [tex] \overrightarrow \tau = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} \,\,[/tex]

But I can't simply re-write it as [tex] \frac{{\overrightarrow \tau }}{{\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} }} = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \,\,\,\,[/tex]
, can I? I don't think you can do this to a cross-product. How can I solve for the dipole moment?
 
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You will only be able to that if p and E are perpendicular, in which case they are not. Do you remember how to find the magnitude of a cross product? Sin(x) maybe?mm?
 
I know its |A x B| = |A||B| sin(x). But in this problem, I don't know what A is. That's what I'm trying to solve for.

|A x B|
------- = |A|. This looks like a dead end.
|B|
 
how about
[tex]p=\frac{\tau}{sin(\theta) E}[/tex] ?
 
If I do that, then I'm dividing units of Nm by N/C, which gives me mC. The book doesn't talk about this, and my class notes are not very good, but I think that is the right unit for dipole moment, meters*coulombs?

If so, I get 3.7e-4/sin(30) *3.7e3 = 2.738 mC for the answer.

If this is correct, don't go away, because I'm still not confident I understand this.
 
m*C are the correct units.
I see some inconsistencies in your signs and values for your exponents to the ones you stated originally.
 
Yes, my original question should have been 3.7*10^3 N/C and 3.7*10^-4 for torque. (I imagine you knew that 103 meant 10^3 :) )
 
t is a vector, and so is E. But in the division that got me 2.738 mc, I divided only their magnitudes. Was this right? I'm guessing they want p to be a vector with direction. It will either be into or out of the board. How do I know which?
 
Ok, now I follow your chain of logic. Thanks for your help. I've got a scalar as an answer, and I still need to assign it a direction. Any thoughts?

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow \tau = \overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} \, \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} \times \overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right| = \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \overrightarrow \tau = \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta \,\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\,\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\, = \frac{{\,\overrightarrow \tau }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{E}} } \right|\sin \theta }}\,\,\, \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{p}} } \right|\, = \frac{{3.7 \times 10^{ - 4} {\rm{N}} \cdot {\rm{m}}}}{{\sin \theta \cdot 3.7 \times 10^3 {\rm{N/C}}}} = 2.7{\rm{ C}} \cdot m \\ <br /> \,\,\,\, \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]
 

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