What Is the New Friction Force if Angular Speed Is Doubled?

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Doubling the angular speed of a spinning cylinder increases the centripetal acceleration, leading to a frictional force that is proportional to the square of the angular speed. The equation for frictional force is F_f = μ_k * F_N, where F_N is the normal force acting on the object. However, the actual frictional force required to keep a person against the wall remains equal to their weight, which does not change with increased speed. This suggests that the problem may be misleading, as the maximum frictional force does not necessarily dictate the actual force needed to prevent slipping. The discussion highlights the distinction between maximum friction and the force required for equilibrium in this scenario.
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Homework Statement



A barrel of fun consists of a large vertical
cylinder that spins about the vertical axis.
When it spins fast enough, any person inside
will be held up against the wall.

http://i.snag.gy/Wh1B9.jpg

Question:

If you double the angular speed (i.e., \omega _2=2\cdot \omega _1) what is the new friction force f_2?

Answer choices: 2\cdot F_1,1/3,1/4,1/2,3,1.5,1/3.5,1,2.5,4

Homework Equations



F_f=\mu_k\cdot F_N

v=r\cdot \omega

a_c=\dfrac{v^2}{r}

The Attempt at a Solution



The frictional force is defined as F_f=\mu_k\cdot F_N.

The normal force of the object is the centripetal force that is pointing towards the center of the cylinder (perpendicular to surface).

Thus frictional force is

\begin{align*}F_f&amp;=\mu_k\cdot (m\cdot a_c)\\&amp;=\mu_k\cdot \left(m\cdot \dfrac{v^2}{r}\right)\\<br /> &amp;=\mu_k\cdot\left(m\cdot\dfrac{(r\cdot\omega)^2}{r}\right)<br /> \end{align*}

This means that \boxed{F_f\propto \omega^2}

so F_2=4\cdot F_1, but when I submitted it, it said that I was wrong.

What am I doing wrong?
 
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vaio-911 said:
The frictional force is defined as F_f=\mu_k\cdot F_N.
I don't think it is, actually. I think that is the maximum frictional force before relative motion can occur. Isn't that so?

The actual frictional force to secure each person against gravity is their weight, and that doesn't change just because you spin them faster!

Maybe this is a trick questionhttp://physicsforums.bernhardtmediall.netdna-cdn.com/images/icons/icon5.gif Is your professor a barrel of fun? :smile:
 
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