What's Wrong with My Electrostatic Equilibrium Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around a calculation of electrostatic equilibrium involving three identical charged spheres suspended in an equilateral triangle formation. The user initially arrives at a different equation for Q^2 than what is presented in the textbook, leading to confusion about the geometric relationships in the problem. Key points include the correct interpretation of the forces acting on the spheres and the need to accurately apply trigonometric relationships to derive the correct equilibrium condition. The user ultimately resolves the issue by clarifying the geometric perspective and using the appropriate equations. The thread emphasizes the importance of careful analysis in physics problems involving multiple forces and geometries.
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This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

Homework Statement



Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses
and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres
and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle
whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


Homework Equations



F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I see this problem is as follows:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.
 
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No time to read it all, but you should have d = \sqrt{3} w and not w = \sqrt{3} d
 
jfierro said:
This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

Homework Statement



Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses
and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres
and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle
whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


Homework Equations



F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I see this problem is as follows:

[PLAIN]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.

not understand how you get d=(3)^(1/2)
 
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w=d(3)^(1/2)
 
w is not d*(3^1/2)
its d/(3^1/2)

in the picture youre looking at the pyramid from the top..
 

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got the solution...thanks
 
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Again looking at the pyramid from the top we see that the horizontal component of the force due to the two charges gets canceled out...
 

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in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg
 

saadqureshi said:
in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg
gr8 work qureshi...
 
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thank you inti
 
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Thanks, I got my answer..
 
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Suggestion, its better to use (I) and (IV) in equation labelling than (1) (4) for it looks like it is a scalar multiplication
 
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