Which is the more stable structure?

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The discussion centers on the stability of different stereoisomers of inositol, specifically comparing myo-inositol and scyllo-inositol. Participants explore the implications of chair conformations and hydroxyl group positioning on stability, with references to external sources for structural information.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Wikipedia article claims myo-inositol is the most stable form, but they question this based on the chair conformations, where scyllo-inositol has all equatorial hydroxyls.
  • One participant emphasizes that myo- and scyllo-inositol cannot interconvert, suggesting that comparing their stability may not be meaningful.
  • Another participant clarifies that the stability mentioned in the Wikipedia article refers to the conformation of myo-inositol that maximizes equatorial hydroxyls, not its stability relative to other stereoisomers.
  • There is a query about whether the most stable isomer should have 5 axial and 1 equatorial hydrogen or if the scyllo-inositol, with all equatorial hydroxyls, is indeed the most stable.
  • One participant agrees with the assertion that scyllo-inositol is the most stable stereoisomer due to its ability to have all hydroxyls in equatorial positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of myo- versus scyllo-inositol, with some supporting the idea that scyllo-inositol is more stable while others focus on the implications of conformational stability of myo-inositol. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which stereoisomer is definitively more stable.

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Participants reference external sources for structural information and stability claims, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of stereoisomer stability and conformational analysis.

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Hello!

I've been trying to figure out what the most stable structure of inositol is, but I keep running into conflicting information. I'm not sure whether the most stable conformation is the myo-inositol form or the scyllo-inositol. All of the stereoisomers can be seen on wikipedia at this link under "Isomers and Structures" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inositol . In that section in Wikipedia, it says that the myo-inositol form is the most stable. This does not make sense to me though. If you look at the chair conformations of the myo and scyllo forms of inositol, then that doesn't make sense: http://www.tcichemicals.com/en/us/support-download/tcimail/application/125-12.html . You can see that the myo-form has 5 equatorial and 1 axis, but the scyllo form has all equatorial hydroxyls. Since scyllo form has all equatorials, doesn't that make it the more stable structure?
 
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Myo- and scyllo- inositol cannot interconvert, so there's not much point in comparing their stability. In fact, the wikipedia article writes:
In its most stable conformational geometry, the myo-inositol isomer assumes the chair conformation, which puts the maximum number of hydroxyls to the equatorial position

It is not saying that myo-inositol is more stable than the other stereoisomers. Rather it's just saying that myo-inositol will adopt the confromation that places five of the hydroxyls in the equatorial position (rather than the conformation that places the five of the hydroxyls in the axial position).
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Myo- and scyllo- inositol cannot interconvert, so there's not much point in comparing their stability. In fact, the wikipedia article writes:It is not saying that myo-inositol is more stable than the other stereoisomers. Rather it's just saying that myo-inositol will adopt the confromation that places five of the hydroxyls in the equatorial position (rather than the conformation that places the five of the hydroxyls in the axial position).

Ygggdrasil said:
Myo- and scyllo- inositol cannot interconvert, so there's not much point in comparing their stability. In fact, the wikipedia article writes:It is not saying that myo-inositol is more stable than the other stereoisomers. Rather it's just saying that myo-inositol will adopt the confromation that places five of the hydroxyls in the equatorial position (rather than the conformation that places the five of the hydroxyls in the axial position).

When you say, "myo-inositol will adopt the confromation that places five of the hydroxyls in the equatorial position", does that mean that the most stable isomer will have 5 axial and 1 equatorial hydrogens? Or should it be that the more stable stereoisomer has 6 hydroxyls that are all equatorial? My homework asks to draw all the isomers of the inositols (which I assume is 9 by the number of isomers on wikipedia) and choose the most stable one. Without thinking about interconversion, I just need to know which one of the 9 stereoisomers is the most stable. When they're all converted to chair forms (second link), the scyllo- inositol has all of the hydroxyl groups placed on equatorial positions, making me think that the scyllo-inositol is the most stable. Would I be correct?
 
The equilibrium that the wikipedia article was referring to is regard to the two different chair conformations that myo-inositol can adopt through "flipping" the ring:
inositol.jpeg

One conformer places five hydroxyls in the equatorial position and therefore is favored over the conformation that places five hydroxyls in the axial position.

Anyway, I would agree with your answer that scyllo-inositol would be the most stable stereoisomer of inositol because it can adopt a configuration where all hydroxyls are equatorial.
 

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