Which of these spring systems is equivalent?

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The discussion revolves around determining the equivalent stiffness of two springs in a vibrations problem. The user, Mark, is confused about whether the equivalent stiffness should be K/2, as calculated for springs in series, or 2K, which he believes makes more sense based on moments about a pivot point. A suggestion is made to derive the effective spring constant by analyzing the net force on the rod when displaced. This approach could clarify the correct equivalent stiffness for the system. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the configuration of the springs in relation to the pivot point.
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Hi guys. I looking at a vibrations problem with 2 springs in it (System A). I need to find an overall value for the stiffness K to find the natural frequency of the system. I know that normally when 2 springs are in series I should get the sum of (I/Ki)^-1 which would give me an equivilant stiffness of K/2 in this case (System C). But when I take moments about the pivot point og the rod O it makes more sense to me for it to be 2K (System B). Here are some sketches I made.

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Can anyone shed some light on this as I'm unsure of which system is correct.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mark.
 
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MarkH748 said:
I know that normally when 2 springs are in series I should get the sum of (I/Ki)^-1 which would give me an equivilant stiffness of K/2 in this case (System C).
Ah... but you don't really have two springs in series, you have one above and one below. Why not derive the effective spring constant for yourself? (Imagine the rod displaced by some Δx. What's the net force on it?)
 
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