Which Spring Has a Larger Displacement?

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The problem involves two springs supporting an 8 kg mass, with different spring constants and angles of attachment. The question is which spring experiences a larger displacement under the given conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between spring constants and displacement, with some attempting to apply energy conservation principles. Questions arise regarding the necessity of knowing the equilibrium length of the springs to determine displacement.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants expressing initial intuitions about the displacement of the springs. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between spring constants and displacement, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of equilibrium length for solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the angles of attachment for the springs and the absence of friction or drag forces in the scenario. The implications of these factors on the calculations are under consideration.

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Homework Statement


An 8 kg mass is hanging from two springs that are attached to the ceiling as shown in the figure. The spring constant of spring A is 165 N/m and the spring constant of spring B is 123 N/m. Which spring has a larger displacement?
Note: Spring A is attached to the ceiling on the left. It is angled at positive 60 degrees from the negative x-axis or (4\pi)/6. Spring B is on the right side angled at positive 45 degrees from the positive x-axis or (\pi)/2. Both are attached to their respective corners of the mass (particle).

Possible Answers:
Spring A
Spring B
Springs have equal displacement
It's impossible to calculate displacement without knowing the equilibrium length.

Homework Equations


Energy conservation and simple kinematics. (\Delta)U_{}g
(\Delta)U_{}s
(\Delta)K

The Attempt at a Solution


This problem is stumping me...
But, what I tried doing is setting the change in potential energy for gravity plus the change in potential energy for the spring equal to zero. I figure we can do this because there are no friction forces or drag in this case. Then we set the change in height equal to the change in displacement (using sin in the respective cases). But since the question has two springs I am a little confused on how to handle that. But the bigger question is, do we have to know the equilibrium length to solve it?
 
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The spring constant is the force needed to produce unit extension.

So the higher the spring constant, the more force needed to cause unit extension.

Knowing this now, which would would extend more?
 
Spring B. That's what my gut feeling was.
So if I understand everything correctly we don't need to know equilibrium length. If we were to actually solve this problem would we need it then?
 
smhippe said:
Spring B. That's what my gut feeling was.
So if I understand everything correctly we don't need to know equilibrium length. If we were to actually solve this problem would we need it then?

I don't think you will need it even if it is placed at that angle like that.
 

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