Which Way Will the System Move and What Is the Acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two blocks on a double inclined plane connected by a cord over a frictionless pulley. Block A (100 kg at 30 degrees) and Block B (50 kg at 53.1 degrees) are analyzed to determine the direction of movement and acceleration when released from rest. Calculations show that the forces acting on both blocks suggest Block B will slide down while Block A moves up, but further analysis reveals inconsistencies in the acceleration values. The possibility that neither block moves due to static friction is introduced, highlighting the complexity of the system. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need to consider static friction in determining the blocks' behavior.
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Homework Statement


Two blocks connected by a cord passing over a small fictionless pulley rest on an double inclined plane (ie a traingle) with static friction coefficient of 0.5 and a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.4. The mass of block A is 100 kg (sitting at 30 degrees), while the mass of block B is 50 kg (sitting at 53.1 degrees).

A. Which way will the system move when the blocks are released from rest?
B. What is the acceleration of the blocks?


Homework Equations


For A, we need to look at the forces pulling down on the block right? So for mass A is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=151N and for mass B is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=274N. So mass B must slide down, while mass A must slide up right?

For B, the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-151=100a, meaning T is 151+100a. Plugging into the equation for mass B, 391.8-117.7-(151+100a)=50a. So a=0.821 m/s^2. Is this right?
 
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dododo121 said:

Homework Statement


Two blocks connected by a cord passing over a small fictionless pulley rest on an double inclined plane (ie a traingle) with static friction coefficient of 0.5 and a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.4. The mass of block A is 100 kg (sitting at 30 degrees), while the mass of block B is 50 kg (sitting at 53.1 degrees).

A. Which way will the system move when the blocks are released from rest?
B. What is the acceleration of the blocks?


Homework Equations


For A, we need to look at the forces pulling down on the block right? So for mass A is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=151N and for mass B is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=274N. So mass B must slide down, while mass A must slide up right?

the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-151=100a,

Check the red line.


ehild
 
ehild said:
Check the red line.


ehild

So it's

For part B, the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-829=100a, meaning T is 829+100a. Plugging into the equation for mass B, 391.8-117.7-(829+100a)=50a. So a=-11.1 m/s^2. Is this right?

But then doesn't that mean that mass A is falling down the incline, instead of mass B?
 
dododo121 said:
But then doesn't that mean that mass A is falling down the incline, instead of mass B?

Strange isn't it? You have proved that A can not descend, and now you got that B doesn't move downward. There is a third possibility: neither blocks move. Is it possible? You are given the coefficient of static friction.


ehild
 
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