Why are Some Constants Dimensionless?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of dimensionless constants in physics, contrasting them with dimensional constants such as Avogadro's Number, Planck's Constant, and the Gravitational Constant. Participants explore the mathematical implications and reasoning behind why certain numbers are dimensionless while others have specific units, touching on concepts from mechanics and relativity.

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  • Some participants assert that constants like Avogadro's Number, Planck's Constant, and the Gravitational Constant have dimensions because they are defined in relation to physical quantities with units.
  • Others propose that pure numbers, such as 1, 2, and 3, are dimensionless because they do not depend on any physical units.
  • One participant questions the dimensionality of the constant 1/2 in the kinetic energy formula (1/2 mv^2), suggesting that it is dimensionless because mv^2 has the same units as energy.
  • A later reply elaborates mathematically on the dimensionless nature of the constant C, indicating that it can be expressed as a ratio of dimensionless numbers.
  • Another participant introduces the concept that in Special and General Relativity, the speed of light can be treated as dimensionless, equating specific measurements in a way that simplifies the relationship between space and time.

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Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of certain constants, with no consensus reached on the broader implications of dimensionless numbers in physics.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of constants and their relationships to physical quantities, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of dimensional analysis.

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Why are pure numbers like 1 , 2 , 3 ... dimensionless and Avogadro's Number, Plank's Constant, Gravitational Constant dimensional ?
 
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Because the latter have dimensions! The Gravitational constant, G, appears in F= -GmM/r^2. In the metric system (mks), r has units of meters, both m and M have units of kg so that "mM/r^2" have units of [itex]kg^2/m^2[/itex]. F, a force, has units of "[itex]kg m^2/sec^2[/itex]". In order to make the units on both sides of the equation the same, G must have units of [itex]1/(kg sec^2)[/itex].

Avogadro's number is the number of molecules per mole. The number of molecules does not depend on any units so Avogadro's number has units of [itex]mol^{-1}[/itex].

Plank's constant is the "h" in [itex]h\nu[/itex] where E is energy, and so has units of [itex]kg m^2/sec^2[/itex] while [itex]\nu[/itex], a frequency, is "number of cycles per second". "Number of cycles", like "number of molecules" is just a number without units. Since we need to have left "[itex]kg m^2/sec^2[/itex]" we need . That means that h must have units of [itex]kg m^2[/itex] in the numerator and one "sec" in the denominator: [itex]kg m^2/sec[/itex].
 
Why is 1/2 in 1/2 mv^2 dimensionless ?
 
Because mv^2 has the unit same as that of Energy.
 
aati2sh said:
Because mv^2 has the unit same as that of Energy.

Please elaborate it mathematically.
 
Let this constant (which turns out to be 1/2) be C. Let k and k' be different dimensionless numbers. It's quite easy to see that we can set up

[tex]C\cdot k\cdot \left(1\ \mathrm{J}\right)=k'\cdot\left(1\ \mathrm{J}\right)[/tex]

And so

[tex]C=\dfrac{k'}{k}[/tex]

And so C's dimensionless.

I wanted to point out that c, the speed of light, is dimensionless, equal to 1, in Special (and General, I'd imagine) Relativity. Basically, [itex]299792458\ \mathrm{m}=1\ \mathrm{s}[/itex].

I've always found it useful to think of units as constants that are, in some cases, incompatible with one another, so the simplest form is just their product.
 

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