Why do streamlines converge when water flows down?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of streamlines in fluid dynamics, specifically addressing the convergence of streamlines as water flows downward from a tap. Participants explore concepts related to the Equation of Continuity, the nature of flow (laminar vs. turbulent), and the physical implications of changing cross-sectional areas in fluid flow.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether two streamlines can converge to a single one, suggesting that this would imply a change in flow speed that is not typical in fluid dynamics.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of water flow from a tap, with some participants asserting that as water falls, the horizontal cross-sectional area decreases, leading to closer streamlines.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the flow is laminar or turbulent, noting that it can depend on the initial conditions and flow rate from the source.
  • Some participants argue that the Equation of Continuity applies to both laminar and turbulent flow, emphasizing the conservation of mass in fluid dynamics.
  • There is a request for an explanation in terms of forces regarding why streamlines come closer together, with some participants indicating that the explanation is rooted in continuity rather than forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the Equation of Continuity to fluid flow but express differing views on the nature of the flow (laminar vs. turbulent) and the implications of streamline convergence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific forces at play in the convergence of streamlines.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of laminar and turbulent flow, as well as assumptions about the initial conditions of the water flow. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the transition between flow types and the detailed mechanics of streamline behavior.

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1)Can two streamlines(line of flow) converge to a single one ?

2) When water flows from the tap, as it flows down the horizontal area of cross-section decreases...An argument using the Equation of Continuity is given...but I have two doubts regarding those
i) Is water in freefall Laminar flow ?
ii) Why do streamlines come closer as water goes down ?
 
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snb said:
Can two streamlines(line of flow) converge to a single one?
This would mean that something changed the differening speeds of the two streamlines so they ended up the same. In reality, there's usually a gradual change in speed of flow versus cross section as opposed to infinitely thin shear boundaries between idealized streamlines.

2) When water flows from the tap, as it flows down the horizontal area of cross-section decreases ... Why do streamlines come closer as water goes down?
Mass flow across any cross section of the flow is constant (otherwise mass would be accumulating at some point). As the water falls, it's speed increases while density remains essentually constant, so the cross sectional area decreases.

i) Is water in freefall Laminar flow?
Assuming it starts off laminar from the source, it transitions from laminar flow to turbulent flow as it falls.
 
snb said:
1)Can two streamlines(line of flow) converge to a single one ?

No. The definition of streamlines ensures they cannot cross or touch. The physics implied by streamlines crossing would be that you have mass disappearing, so that is the physical intuition that should indicate that it can't happen.

snb said:
2) When water flows from the tap, as it flows down the horizontal area of cross-section decreases...An argument using the Equation of Continuity is given...but I have two doubts regarding those
i) Is water in freefall Laminar flow ?

It depends on many factors. Like Randomguy88 said, it can be, It depends on whether it is laminar coming from the source and the flow rate. You can turn on your faucet such that it is laminar the entire way down or turbulent the entire way.

snb said:
ii) Why do streamlines come closer as water goes down ?

Like Randomguy88 said, the water accelerates, so in order to conserve mass, as the water moves faster, it must have a smaller cross-section to conserve mass flow.
 
Is Equation of Continuity valid for turbulent flow ?

Like Randomguy88 said, the water accelerates, so in order to conserve mass, as the water moves faster, it must have a smaller cross-section to conserve mass flow.

I wanted to know n explanation in terms of forces or something like that. I am not able to understand why should those streamlines come closer to decrease the cross-sectional area...
 
snb said:
Is Equation of Continuity valid for turbulent flow ?

Yes, as are the Navier-Stokes equations and energy equation. Regardless of whether the flow is laminar, energy, mass and momentum must still be conserved.

snb said:
I wanted to know n explanation in terms of forces or something like that. I am not able to understand why should those streamlines come closer to decrease the cross-sectional area...

You are out of luck then. It has nothing to do with forces and everything to do with continuity. Think of it this way; you would start out at the top with some [itex]v_0[/itex] and [itex]A_0[/itex] and at a given point later in the fall, you would have [itex]v_1[/itex] and [itex]A_1[/itex]. Now clearly [itex]v_1 > v_0[/itex] since the water is accelerating. Let's say the area didn't get smaller. The mass flow at the start, [itex]\rho v_0 A[/itex] would be less than at the lower point, [itex]\rho v_1 A[/itex]. Clearly that can't happen because you would be creating mass from nowhere. Going back to continuity, let's use the simplified form:

[tex]\rho v_0 A_0 = \rho v_1 A_1[/tex]

Density is constant, leaving us with

[tex]v_0 A_0 = v_1 A_1[/tex]

Rearranging that, you can get

[tex]\frac{v_0}{v_1} = \frac{A_1}{A_0}[/tex]

Since [itex]v_1 > v_0[/itex], you also know that [itex]\frac{v_0}{v_1} < 1[/itex]. From our previous equation, that means that [itex]\frac{A_1}{A_0} < 1[/itex], which leads to the conclusion:

[tex]A_0 > A_1[/tex]

The stream gets smaller.
 

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