Why Does Factoring an Integral Affect the Area Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of an integral and its impact on area determination. The original poster questions why factoring an integral results in a smaller area compared to not factoring, using a specific integral example involving rational functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the process of factoring an integral and its implications on the calculated area. There are attempts to clarify the algebraic steps involved and questions regarding the correctness of the antiderivative used. Some participants express confusion over the setup of the problem and the graphical representation of the area.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen various participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential errors in the algebraic manipulation and the interpretation of the integral. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, and there is acknowledgment of mistakes made in the calculations.

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There is mention of the original poster creating the problem themselves, which raises questions about the clarity and phrasing of the integral. Additionally, there are references to specific values and graphical representations that may not align with the calculations presented.

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Hey everybody I was wondering why when you factor an integral, the final answer, or area, is smaller than if you hadn't. Here's an example:
\int\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x} between 1 and 2.

You would factor out \frac{1}{2} and bring it in front of the integral, right? But, my final answer came out to be about .45 and when I graphed the original two lines, it seemed the actual area should have been around 1. Why is this? What is the correct answer?
 
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Luke77 said:
Hey everybody I was wondering why when you factor an integral, the final answer, or area, is smaller than if you hadn't. Here's an example:
\int\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x} between 1 and 2.

You would factor out \frac{1}{2} and bring it in front of the integral, right? But, my final answer came out to be about .45 and when I graphed the original two lines, it seemed the actual area should have been around 1. Why is this? What is the correct answer?
You must have made an algebra mistake.

Show us your steps each way.
 
Integrate area below \frac{x}{2x^2} and above \frac{x}{2x} between x=1 and x=2.

\int (\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x}
= .5 \int (\frac{x}{x^2} - 1)
=.5\int (1 - \frac{x}{x^2}) because 1 is now above x/x^2
=.5\int (1 - x^-1)
=.5 (x - (\frac{x}{x^2} ^2)/2) between 1 and 2

=.5 ((2 - \frac{2}{4}^2)/2) - (1- \frac{1}{4}^2)/2)
=.5 (2-.125) - (1-.03125)
=.5 (1.875 - .96875)
=.5 (.90625) = .453125

The graph between the original two lines, however, seems to have a greater area than .45.
 
Luke77 said:
Integrate area below \frac{x}{2x^2} and above \frac{x}{2x} between x=1 and x=2.

I'm curious where you got this problem. I can't imagine any book phrasing it that way.

\int (\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x}
= .5 \int (\frac{x}{x^2} - 1)
=.5\int (1 - \frac{x}{x^2}) because 1 is now above x/x^2
=.5\int (1 - x^-1)
=.5 (x - (\frac{x}{x^2} ^2)/2) between 1 and 2

Your antiderivative of ##x^{-1}## is incorrect. Have you studied the derivative on the natural logarithm function yet?
 
LCKurtz said:
I'm curious where you got this problem. I can't imagine any book phrasing it that way.
Your antiderivative of ##x^{-1}## is incorrect. Have you studied the derivative on the natural logarithm function yet?

Actually I have:
If f(x) = ln x, then f ' x=\frac{1}{x}

\int \frac{1}{x} = ln x
I didnt think to use it though.
 
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Luke77 said:
Integrate area below \frac{x}{2x^2} and above \frac{x}{2x} between x=1 and x=2.

\int (\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x}
= .5 \int (\frac{x}{x^2} - 1)
=.5\int (1 - \frac{x}{x^2}) because 1 is now above x/x^2
=.5\int (1 - x^-1)
=.5 (x - (\frac{x}{x^2} ^2)/2) between 1 and 2   I suppose you mean .5 (x - \left(\frac{x}{x^2}\right)^2 /2) 

=.5 ((2 - \frac{2}{4}^2)/2) - (1- \frac{1}{4}^2)/2)
=.5 (2-.125) - (1-.03125)   This should be .5 (1-.125) - (.5-.03125) in addition to the sign error.
=.5 (1.875 - .96875)
=.5 (.90625) = .453125

The graph between the original two lines, however, seems to have a greater area than .45.
Luke77 said:
... Also, I made this problem up entirely to purely show my problem with the factorization. Did I make an error, or does factoring an integral change the graph?
Yes, you did make several errors, one of which LCKurtz pointed out.

You have that the anti-derivative of x-1 is \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{x}{x^2}\right)^2\,, as near as I can tell. This is equivalent to \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}x^{-2}\,. But the derivative of \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}x^{-2}\ is \displaystyle -x^{-1}\,, not \displaystyle x^{-1}\ . So you have a sign error.

After that, you fail to distribute 1/2 of the anti-derivative, when you plug-in the limits of integration.

There may be additional errors in your working of the problem.

Also, in making up the problem, you failed to realize that \displaystyle \frac{x}{2x^2} is below \displaystyle \frac{x}{2x} on the interval, 1 < x < 2 .
 
Thanks everyone, I guess it was just an error.
 
SammyS said:
Yes, you did make several errors, one of which LCKurtz pointed out.

You have that the anti-derivative of x-1 is \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{x}{x^2}\right)^2\,, as near as I can tell. This is equivalent to \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}x^{-2}\,. But the derivative of \displaystyle \frac{1}{2}x^{-2}\ is \displaystyle -x^{-1}\,, not \displaystyle x^{-1}\ . So you have a sign error.

After that, you fail to distribute 1/2 of the anti-derivative, when you plug-in the limits of integration.

There may be additional errors in your working of the problem.

Also, in making up the problem, you failed to realize that \displaystyle \frac{x}{2x^2} is below \displaystyle \frac{x}{2x} on the interval, 1 < x < 2 .

You're right about the graph! I entered it totally wrong! Thank you very much.
 
Luke77 said:
Hey everybody I was wondering why when you factor an integral, the final answer, or area, is smaller than if you hadn't. Here's an example:
\int\frac{x}{2x^2} - \frac{x}{2x} between 1 and 2.

You would factor out \frac{1}{2} and bring it in front of the integral, right? But, my final answer came out to be about .45 and when I graphed the original two lines, it seemed the actual area should have been around 1. Why is this? What is the correct answer?

I figured it all out thanks to Sammy and LCKurtz. Thanks everyone, I had just entered the graph wrong.
 

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