Why does imidazolium ring contain a positive charge?

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The discussion centers on the formation of a positive charge in cyclic structures, particularly in relation to nitrogen-containing compounds like imidazole. It explains that drawing the cyclic structure with double bonds is essential to adhere to the octet rule for carbon, resulting in one nitrogen atom having four bonds and a positive charge. The resonance forms illustrate how the double bonds and positive charge can shift within the ring system, leading to a representation of the entire ring as positively charged. Additionally, there is clarification regarding the substituents R1 and R3, emphasizing that they cannot both be hydrogen if the structure is to maintain its integrity as a substituted imidazole. The corrected understanding states that either R1 or R3 must be 'nothing' while the other can be an alkyl group, allowing for the possibility of both being 'nothing' but not both being alkyl groups.
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Just interested how this positive charge occurs. Thank you :smile:
 
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Draw the cyclic structure, then draw in double bonds where necessary to keep the octet rule for carbon. Should end up with 4 bonds to one of the Nitrogens, which gives a + charge. Now if you draw the resonance forms you'll see that the double bonds (and + charge) can bounce around throughout the ring system, so it's easier to just draw the whole ring system as positively charged.
 
Actually, your diagram needs a bit of revision (or definition). In the example you provide, R1 and R3 cannot be equal to H. If this were the case, you would have a substituted imidazole molecule. Deprotonation would yield (R1 or R3 = nothing) a substituted imidazolium species whereas alkylation (or quaternization) of one of those species would yield one as well. Keep in mind that R1 and R3 cannot both be quaternized, only one (in your example). Therefore, either R1 or R3 must be equal to H (they can both be equal to H as well) but they both can't be an alkyl group.

Edit: Bolded item is wrong. It should read, "either R1 or R3 must be equal to 'nothing' and either one or the other may be equal to an alkyl. Both may also be equal to 'nothing' ".
 
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