Why does the magnetic field/flux change in copper conductor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction in a copper conductor when a permanent magnet is dropped through or near it. Participants explore the mechanisms behind the induced electromotive force (emf) and the behavior of electrons in the copper in response to changing magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a change in magnetic field or flux induces an emf in the copper when the magnet is dropped, noting that the copper does not produce a current beforehand.
  • Another participant clarifies that electrons are present in the copper but do not move until the changing magnetic field induces an emf, prompting the electrons to create a current.
  • A participant seeks to understand whether the movement of electrons is due to attraction or repulsion by the magnet and asks if the changing magnetic field refers to the transition from zero to the magnetic field of the steel magnet.
  • Another participant argues that a copper coil suffices for induction and emphasizes that the movement of the magnet is crucial for inducing emf, as a stationary magnet and coil do not generate emf despite the presence of a magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of electron movement in response to the magnetic field and the necessity of motion for inducing emf. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the interaction between the magnetic field and the electrons in the copper.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of electrons and the conditions under which emf is induced remain unaddressed, including the specific definitions of magnetic flux and the role of motion in electromagnetic induction.

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If you drop a permanent magnet like steel through a copper tube it induces an emf, this is because you have a change in magnetic field/flux? But how? Why? The copper isn't producing a current before the magnet is dropped into it... Does something happen with the electrons in the copper?
 
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The electrons are present in the copper before you drop the magnet, but there is no emf, so they don't move. After you drop the magnet the changing B-field induces an emf in the copper, and the electrons move in response to the emf. The moving electrons are a current. Does this answer your question?
 
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The electrons are present in the copper before you drop the magnet, but there is no emf, so they don't move. After you drop the magnet the changing B-field induces an emf in the copper, and the electrons move in response to the emf. The moving electrons are a current. Does this answer your question?

So do the electrons in the copper get attracted/repulsed by the magnet causing them to move? And when you say changing B field do you mean it goes from zero (in the copper) to experiancing the magnetic field of the steel? Yes I think so. Thank you
 
You don't need a copper tube. A copper coil is enough. It is not that the electrons are attracted/repulsed by the magnetic field. In fact. If you hold the magnet and the coil still without moving either of them, there is no emf, even though there is a magnetic field. It is only when you drop the magnet, while the magnet is in motion, the flux through the coil changes, and the changing flux causes the emf.
 

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