Why is it important to make sure the string attached to the block level?

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The discussion revolves around a physics lab involving a block on a flat slope connected to a string, which is pulled by a hanging mass. The central question is the importance of ensuring that the string attached to the block is level, particularly in the context of determining the coefficients of static and kinetic friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angle of the string and the forces acting on the block, including the normal force and friction. Questions are raised about how the angle affects the required force to move the block and the implications for the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the effects of the string angle on the normal force and friction, and there is an emphasis on drawing force diagrams to visualize the changes in forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of minimizing variables in a lab setting to focus on measuring the effects of a single changing factor. There is also a mention of the coefficient of friction being a characteristic of the materials involved, which does not change.

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Homework Statement


In a friction lab to determine the static and kinetic coefficient of friction, there is a block on a flat slope attached to a string which pulled down by a hanging mass. The lab question is: Why is it important to make sure that the string attached to the block is level?


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is it bc at that angle, it only has one component x (horizontal component) and thus resulted in the lowest required force to move the mass with that string.
 
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paxian said:
is it bc at that angle, it only has one component x (horizontal component) and thus resulted in the lowest required force to move the mass with that string.

Actually, the horizontal position doesn't result in the lowest required force to move the block. If the string angles upwards from the block, some of the force would reduce the effective weight of the block on the surface and reduce the friction.

Also, examine what happens to the angle as the block moves closer to the pulley. What happens?

In a lab situation it is usually desirable to minimize the number of variables that change t the same time. Ideally only one variable should be, well, variable! That way you can concentrate on measuring the effects of changing one thing at a time.
 
paxian, welcome to the PH forums.

Your answer is not the complete answer.

How is the normal force affected?

What if the angle is not taken into account? How would this affect the resulting calculation of coefficient of friction?
 
Thanks so much for your quick responses!

The normal force would be smaller if the string is level?

Friction force acts parallel to the plane of interface. If the string is not leveled, the coefficient of friction is a lot smaller??
 
paxian said:
Thanks so much for your quick responses!

The normal force would be smaller if the string is level?

Friction force acts parallel to the plane of interface. If the string is not leveled, the coefficient of friction is a lot smaller??

The coefficient of friction is a characteristic of the materials involved. It doesn't change.

Draw a force diagram (FBD) for the block to determine what changes when the string angle changes.
 
gneill said:
The coefficient of friction is a characteristic of the materials involved. It doesn't change.

Draw a force diagram (FBD) for the block to determine what changes when the string angle changes.

After I draw the FBD...The Tension will now have x and y components when the string angle changes. Ff and N stay the same. If the string is leveled, it only has one component x (horizontal component).

You also helped me to answer one of my other lab questions. The coefficient of friction is the same on flat slope and inclined slope. Thanks so much.

By the way, I am so new to Physics and applying Physics theory... Please be a little bit more specific so that I can understand and learn Physics from you.
 
paxian said:
After I draw the FBD...The Tension will now have x and y components when the string angle changes. Ff and N stay the same. If the string is leveled, it only has one component x (horizontal component).
Careful, that y-component of the string force is going to affect the normal force! Ff will change if the string angle changes!
You also helped me to answer one of my other lab questions. The coefficient of friction is the same on flat slope and inclined slope. Thanks so much.

By the way, I am so new to Physics and applying Physics theory... Please be a little bit more specific so that I can understand and learn Physics from you.

We're happy to help here, but we can't do the work for you! Direct answers to homework problems are not permitted. What we can do is point out errors, give helpful hints, explain concepts, etc.. We do the best we can to help you where you need it.
 

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