Why is my electromagnet not producing any current?

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting an electromagnet that is not producing any current when a magnet is oscillated near it. Participants explore various methods and considerations related to the setup and measurement of induced current, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects of electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ramone describes constructing an electromagnet with 650 coils around a ferrite rod and using a strong magnet to induce current, but reports no current detected.
  • One participant suggests that moving the magnet up and down the mid-shaft does not change the magnetic flux through the coils and recommends wiggling the magnet at one end instead.
  • Another participant advises checking the resistance of the coil and mentions the possibility of not having removed the insulation properly, suggesting a method to scrape the wire for better contact.
  • Ramone expresses gratitude for the explanations and acknowledges learning that the output is AC.
  • A different participant notes that approaching the end of the ferrite rod with one pole of a magnet will produce DC output until the magnet's direction is reversed or stopped, and recommends testing on DC volts first for sensitivity.
  • There is a suggestion to apply a voltage to the setup to test if it can deflect a compass needle or pick up small nails.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the method of inducing current and the appropriate settings for measurement. There is no consensus on a single solution, and the discussion remains unresolved with various suggestions being offered.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the method, such as the need for proper insulation removal and the effects of measuring AC versus DC output, but do not resolve these issues definitively.

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Dear Guru Engineers,

I made 650 coils round a ferrite rod of cirumference about 2cm using super thin (like hair) copper wire that is insulated by some kind of yellowish golden orangy 'lacquer'. I hope you get the picture what i am trying to describe here :p

Anyways, i used a strong magnet and oscillated it up and down the shaft of the ferrite rod.

I sandpapered the ends of the wires terminating on the rod and hook them up to the amp-meter. nothing. seemed like no current produced at all??

pls could you explain what could be the problem and was my method wrong?

sincerely
Ramone
 
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ramonegumpert said:
Dear Guru Engineers,

I made 650 coils round a ferrite rod of cirumference about 2cm using super thin (like hair) copper wire that is insulated by some kind of yellowish golden orangy 'lacquer'. I hope you get the picture what i am trying to describe here :p

Anyways, i used a strong magnet and oscillated it up and down the shaft of the ferrite rod.

I sandpapered the ends of the wires terminating on the rod and hook them up to the amp-meter. nothing. seemed like no current produced at all??

pls could you explain what could be the problem and was my method wrong?

sincerely
Ramone

Moving the magnet up and down the mid-shaft area doesn't change the flux through the turns. Try wiggling the magnet at one end of the rod.

Also, put your meter on an AC Volts setting. You will see the induced EMF from the changing flux through the coils.
 
And check the resistance of the coil.
You may not have removed the insulation doing it like that.

I lay the wire on a hardwood surface and scrape with a razor blade until I can see copper and solder to it.

cleaning wire.PNG
 
Dear Berkeman & Vk6kro,

I am very grateful for your explanations. This forum rocks!
I never knew the output was AC . 8)
Will try again.

Best regards
Ramone
 
If you approach the end of the ferrite rod with one pole of a strong magnet, the output will be DC until you reverse the direction of the magnet or stop moving the magnet (when you will get nothing).

Your meter will be more sensitive on the DC ranges because the AC range has a diode in series with the input.

So, try it on DC volts first until you get some sort of a reading. If there is a 200 mV range, try that first.

Then, you could try putting a voltage on it and seeing if you can deflect a compass needle or pick up small nails etc.
 

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