Kinematics in High School Physics: Reasons to Teach Equations

In summary: I think a worthwhile goal would......include developing a good understanding of modern physics, which includes an understanding of classical mechanics.
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So, my thread title was too long, here is the full title: Why should the kinematics equations be taught in a regular high school physics course?

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Let me explain my situation. I will teach physics in a different country next year as the only physics teacher in the school. I have, for the past couple years, taught the kinematics equations to my regular physics classes (spending around 6-8 weeks doing so), and i will not be doing that in my new school. What i will do is define velocity and acceleration, and pretty much that is it. However, i am trying to convince my colleagues at the school i am at now to do the same. They do not seem to be as convinced as i am.

What are your best reasons why the kinematics equations should be taught in a regular physics class in high school?
 
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Hlud said:
What are your best reasons why the kinematics equations should be taught in a regular physics class in high school?
Because one can. It's a rather basic subject that should be taught as early as possible. It's basic physics, like addition, subtraction and multiplication are basic mathematics. Kinematics is complementary with algebra.

Why wait until high school. Physics should be taught as early as possible.

These days there is so much to learn, and the earlier one starts the better.
 
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Hlud said:
Let me explain my situation. I will teach physics in a different country next year as the only physics teacher in the school. I have, for the past couple years, taught the kinematics equations to my regular physics classes (spending around 6-8 weeks doing so), and i will not be doing that in my new school. What i will do is define velocity and acceleration, and pretty much that is it. However, i am trying to convince my colleagues at the school i am at now to do the same. They do not seem to be as convinced as i am.

What are your best reasons why the kinematics equations should be taught in a regular physics class in high school?
From a conceptual standpoint, it might be better to do as you suggest and reduce the emphasis on kinematics and get to concepts like force and energy more quickly. What reasons do you have for urging your colleagues to not spend a lot of time on kinematics?
 
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vela said:
From a conceptual standpoint, it might be better to do as you suggest and reduce the emphasis on kinematics and get to concepts like force and energy more quickly. What reasons do you have for urging your colleagues to not spend a lot of time on kinematics?
Kinematics is too fundamental a part of basic Physics, that Hlud MUST do as he says he wants. The high school Physics course would be absolutely poor without Kinematics.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Kinematics is too fundamental a part of basic Physics, that Hlud MUST do as he says he wants. The high school Physics course would be absolutely poor without Kinematics.
Hlud is trying to convince his colleagues to not spend much time on kinematics.
 
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vela said:
Hlud is trying to convince his colleagues to not spend much time on kinematics.
Maybe that was what he meant. Let me adjust what I want to say:

Kinematics is too fundamental a part of basic Physics,. The high school Physics course would be absolutely poor without Kinematics. How much time is given to Kinematics instruction is up to you and your department as long as the topic is covered fully enough for the best instruction at the high school level.
 
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From a pedagogical pespective, perhaps the question should be "what is the optimal approach for introducing students to classical mechanics?"

I think the usual approach is to start with time and position/distance, then introduce velocity (v = dx/dt) and acceleration (a = dv/dt = d2x/dt2), which is kinematics. What is the proper context for teaching kinematics - when to consider mass/force, and when is it not necessary?

Mass and momentum are then introduced, then force, and one can discuss statics and dynamics.
 
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Astronuc said:
From a pedagogical pespective, perhaps the question should be "what is the optimal approach for introducing students to classical mechanics?"
I agree. For a high school class, is it better to spend more time laying a good conceptual foundation while sacrificing some problem-solving aspects of physics, which they'll see in AP physics or in college anyway? Does the student get much out of knowing how to calculate how much time a ball spends in the air or how far away it lands, or would the time that's usually devoted to those aspects of intro physics be better spent on developing a better understanding of, say, modern physics?
 
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I think a worthy goal would be to ensure that every student knows how to differentiate between position, velocity and acceleration.

Lillian McDermott has several articles on the issue of conceptual understanding.

Investigation of student understanding of the concept of velocity in one dimension
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/EducationIssues/T&LPhys/PDFs/McDermott2b.pdf

A review from 1984, http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/article/37/7/10.1063/1.2916318

I was astonished when I learned about the fact that people mix up position and velocity. In retrospect it did explain some discussions I had over the years.
I think that would be one motivation to treat kinematics with the caveat that the teacher should be very aware of this problem.

A cool idea would be to incorporate questions like the one in this post to keep students motivated[1]. This isn't helpful for conceptual understanding though.

[1] There are some things missing, like a measure for reaction speed. Then the student can argue about the (im)possibility of the answer.
 
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I took high school physics in 1973 so the physics curricula may have changed but this is what I remember. We spent a lot of time understanding ballistic trajectories under constant gravity (these are not the term they used, of course). I know I (I suppose others) I say how velocity, position, acceleration related for freely falling bodies, and I (and presumably others) saw how the equations could be manipulated.
Many other chapters in the book, stated (but did not develop or motivate the equations), and proposed homework problems that were plug and chug. I expect even today, most equations cannot be developed in a single high school course in physics for a broad audience, as completely as the ballistic equations. (How do you motivate Schrodinger's equation in high school. The best you can do in modern physics (e.g. the Bohr atom), is to present the equation). Severely reducing the ballistic equations in a course may lead one to believe, physics is not about method, but it is all plug and chug.
 
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Hlud said:
So, my thread title was too long, here is the full title: Why should the kinematics equations be taught in a regular high school physics course?

Let me explain my situation. I will teach physics in a different country next year as the only physics teacher in the school. I have, for the past couple years, taught the kinematics equations to my regular physics classes (spending around 6-8 weeks doing so), and i will not be doing that in my new school. What i will do is define velocity and acceleration, and pretty much that is it. However, i am trying to convince my colleagues at the school i am at now to do the same. They do not seem to be as convinced as i am.

What are your best reasons why the kinematics equations should be taught in a regular physics class in high school?

Abstractly, kinematics should be taught in high school because kinematics is a foundational element of science.

Concretely, you've left out some important information- what have your new students been prepared for already? What science and math classes have they already taken (or should have already taken)? Similarly, what are you preparing your students for- is this a senior-year college prep class? Is this a 9th grade 'physical science class'? Administratively, what are your state course content requirements?
 
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Kinematics was covered in the first unit in my physics class--it was like the basis of everything! Physics shouldn't just be about definitions: “what is velocity?” or “what is acceleration?” That’s important, but, seriously, kinematics ties all of those things together into real applications. For one thing, learning basic kinematics helped me improve the skill of manipulating equations to find information needed. Additionally, how can you possibly go about teaching velocity and acceleration problems without kinematic equations? How to find initial and final velocities, height of projectiles, distance, range, speed, and acceleration of objects all have something to do with kinematics!
 
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It's a mistake IMO to just cover a few definitions in kinematics and then skip to some other topic in physics. Don't be surprised if your students are confused by the lack of a complete development of a topic. You don't have to make complex kinematic calculations to illustrate the topic, but you should show some work on the basics, otherwise physics just becomes another vocabulary-building course.
 
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I'll echo SteamKing here. I think depth is often desirable over breadth if you are aiming for understanding.
 
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Hlud said:
What are your best reasons why the kinematics equations should be taught in a regular physics class in high school?
Ostensibly, there is some exposure to science from earlier grades, and possibly some chemistry, and requisite math possibly up through Algebra II.

I don't think anyone has suggested providing formulas and teaching students to 'plug and chug', but rather, it is helpful to understand the concepts/definitions of position/distance (in 1, 2 and 3 dimensions), time, and then velocity/speed, and acceleration, . . . and so on.

Of course, one could use an approach like Feynman did with The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume I (mainly mechanics, radiation, and heat).
http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_toc.html

I'd be curious to know if Feynman's approach would inspire students, or turn them off.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Kinematics is too fundamental a part of basic Physics,. The high school Physics course would be absolutely poor without Kinematics. How much time is given to Kinematics instruction is up to you and your department as long as the topic is covered fully enough for the best instruction at the high school level.

Yes, i agree that kinematics is too fundamental to ignore. I plan on teaching kinematics without ever teaching one of the four kinematics equations that we usually teach. I can teach kinematics in three or four blocks without doing the graphing or algebra. I am trying to convince my colleagues to do the same. They will argue that the equations are really important. I am just trying to see why you all think it is important to teach the algebra and graphing.
 
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mpresic said:
Severely reducing the ballistic equations in a course may lead one to believe, physics is not about method, but it is all plug and chug.

I fail to see how this would be the case. My first year teaching, i adopted the course that the school (and pretty much the county) had taught for umpteen years. My students hated the course, because it was only plug and chug. You go from the kinematics equations, and plug and chug there. Then you move onto force, and plug and chug there. Then momentum, and energy, and so on and so forth. Sure, there was a method: the method leading you to be able to plug and chug.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Concretely, you've left out some important information- what have your new students been prepared for already? What science and math classes have they already taken (or should have already taken)? Similarly, what are you preparing your students for- is this a senior-year college prep class? Is this a 9th grade 'physical science class'? Administratively, what are your state course content requirements?

Sorry, i did leave off information. This is a regular physics course that i am talking about. My AP courses will continue to do the kinematics equations. My regular kids are either in algebra or precalculus for the most part. Regardless, their algebra skills are lacking (so we take a lot of time not doing physics, but just manipulating equations). While they will all have taken chemistry and biology, they do not have sufficient lab skills either (because those are not explicitly written in the standards in my state).

This is the first year i personally sacrificed more time just doing the 'method' in favor of definitions and concepts. Personally, because of the improvements i see with my students, i am convinced on sacrificing more time doing the 'method'.

I might add the purpose for doing as i am suggesting. When you spend so much time doing the method (which no teacher believes to be just plug and chug, but it really is not more than just isolation of a single variable), as we do in my school, then you cannot branch into much other than mechanics. Traditionally, we spend 3 quarters teaching mechanics (kinematics, forces, momentum, and energy, with no rotation or waves), and that last quarter teaching electrostatics and circuits. If i were to be honest with myself, we are spending about 3 quarters teaching isolation of a variable in equations that look different, and 1/2 quarter teaching graphing, and the last 1/2 teaching the concepts associated with those equations. If they were to reduce their teaching of algebra in equations that look different, they will be able to discuss briefly (which is fine in a regular physics course) topics such as optics.
 
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Hlud said:
Sorry, i did leave off information. <snip>

Thanks, that was very helpful. For what it's worth, my colleagues and I struggle with exactly the same issues you do- the students lag in math facility, so we often face the choice of spending class time teaching math instead of teaching physics. Some of us have rebelled: it goes by a lot of names, the current label is 'flipped classroom'. I now require students to learn whatever math they need- I'm talking about prerequisite-type stuff- on their own.

One idea for you to consider: work with the math teacher(s) to better synchronize the content. For example, we created a 'problem-based learning' module for precalc students that treats kinematics as an application of quadratic functions- the module is based on a double-play in baseball. Similarly, we created a module presenting sound and music as an application of trigonometry. There are tons of pre-developed modules out there:

http://bie.org/project_search/results/search&channel=project_search&category=330&&338&ps_first=330&ps_second=338/
http://archive.pbl-online.org/

One of the (unsurprising) results we have learned is that the more time students spend engaged with the material: not homework, but groupwork outside of class, peer teaching outside of class, etc. etc., the more material they learn. Sounds simple, but very difficult to implement.
 
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Astronuc said:
I'd be curious to know if Feynman's approach would inspire students, or turn them off.

In my experience with the intro courses (non-physics majors), that approach turns most students off. For whatever reason, in the context of a intro physics class, most students equate successful plug-n-chug with learning.
 
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Hlud said:
I might add the purpose for doing as i am suggesting. When you spend so much time doing the method (which no teacher believes to be just plug and chug, but it really is not more than just isolation of a single variable), as we do in my school, then you cannot branch into much other than mechanics.
Paul Hewitt (the conceptual physics guy) recommends downplaying kinematics exactly for this reason, saying it's 10% physics and 90% math. The time spent on kinematics is time not spent on other concepts.
 
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vela said:
Paul Hewitt (the conceptual physics guy) recommends downplaying kinematics exactly for this reason, saying it's 10% physics and 90% math. The time spent on kinematics is time not spent on other concepts.

The quote below came from the OP in Post #18, not me:
Hlud said:
I might add the purpose for doing as i am suggesting. When you spend so much time doing the method (which no teacher believes to be just plug and chug, but it really is not more than just isolation of a single variable), as we do in my school, then you cannot branch into much other than mechanics.

As far as what Hewitt is complaining about, everything in physics is a time suck. The time spent discussing topic A is time which can't be used to discuss topic B. That's still an insufficient reason to neglect topic A in favor of topic B.

From looking at the problems submitted to the Intro Physics HW forum on this website, it is apparent that some students have trouble with basic kinematics. I think for that reason the topic should be taught as completely as time permits.
 
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SteamKing said:
From looking at the problems submitted to the Intro Physics HW forum on this website, it is apparent that some students have trouble with basic kinematics. I think for that reason the topic should be taught as completely as time permits.

I agree, but would go further- kinematics (and any other foundational concept) should not only be taught once, "as time permits". It should be discussed again and again- Arons's phrase is 'spiral back'.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0471137073/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Another example he uses is linear graphs: a foundational concept that is used again and again, not just in x = vt and F = ma but also for many other seemingly unconnected relationships that occur in intro physics. This gives students multiple interactions with the material and over time (one hopes) the student gains mastery.

Even better if the student can draw content links between different classes: math and physics is perhaps the easiest to consider, but regardless, the more exposure a student has to the material the better they will understand it.

This is true for learning anything, really- we rarely understand something upon first exposure. One good aspect about Common Core is that it brings some overall coherence and narrative to the K-12 curriculum.
 
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vela said:
Paul Hewitt (the conceptual physics guy) recommends downplaying kinematics exactly for this reason, saying it's 10% physics and 90% math. The time spent on kinematics is time not spent on other concepts.

In the week before i first started teaching, we discussed Hewitt's book and ultimately decided not to use it because it did not "have enough math." I'll definitely look over his book and his philosophy again, especially since i have been teaching, i have come to realize that math is not synonymous with computation, as most of my early physics courses have led me to believe. Perhaps my colleagues will be more sympathetic to this approach. Their biggest concern is that we would be abandoning what is tried and true (the true part being debatable).

SteamKing said:
That's still an insufficient reason to neglect topic A in favor of topic B.

But that is not his argument. He is arguing that learning how to isolate a variable is not doing enough physics, and hence not worth doing in physics (at least for the time we do in regular, high school physics).

From looking at the problems submitted to the Intro Physics HW forum on this website, it is apparent that some students have trouble with basic kinematics. I think for that reason the topic should be taught as completely as time permits.

After reading Paul Lockhart's A Mathematician's Lament, i completely disagree that they are having trouble with basic kinematics. What they are doing is rather advanced kinematics, just taught earlier than it should be for these students. Yes, we pretty much teach 'basic kinematics' first universally. However, we also live in a society where its perfectly acceptable to have zero proficiency in math. Clearly there is a disconnect.

Andy Resnick said:
I agree, but would go further- kinematics (and any other foundational concept) should not only be taught once, "as time permits". It should be discussed again and again- Arons's phrase is 'spiral back'.

What makes the kinematics equations more fundamental than basic optics? Or how sound works? Or why a simple machine works? If anything, because of the specific condition in which these equations apply, it is not fundamental at all.

Another example he uses is linear graphs: a foundational concept that is used again and again, not just in x = vt and F = ma but also for many other seemingly unconnected relationships that occur in intro physics. This gives students multiple interactions with the material and over time (one hopes) the student gains mastery.

I do like the graphing. What i will suggest to my colleagues, as i will do this, is to do shapes of graphs only. Do not connect the graphs with equations, or put any numbers at all on the graphs. I hate the front-loaded nature of how i teach physics. My colleagues seem to be okay with it.

Even better if the student can draw content links between different classes: math and physics is perhaps the easiest to consider, but regardless, the more exposure a student has to the material the better they will understand it.

This is not a good argument at all. I could expose the students to kinematics the whole entire year. They will better understand it, true, but will they benefit from this change? No, because the majority of students who take this course do not ever take another physics class again.

Are you open for other connections throughout the year, like we do with math? I know most physics courses do a bit of history when talking about gravitation and orbits. Would you make deeper connections with history class and physics than this? Would you have your students read Newton's Principia and analyze it from both an historical and physical perspective?
 
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Hlud said:
After reading Paul Lockhart's A Mathematician's Lament, i completely disagree that they are having trouble with basic kinematics. What they are doing is rather advanced kinematics, just taught earlier than it should be for these students. Yes, we pretty much teach 'basic kinematics' first universally. However, we also live in a society where its perfectly acceptable to have zero proficiency in math. Clearly there is a disconnect.

In my experience the concepts are often understood better by the students who understand the mathematics. It would be interesting to try asking some 'conceptual' questions like those in Hewitt's book that are based entirely on proportional reasoning like, for example 'if you step on the gas pedal and accelerate from rest and you travel a distance of 5 feet in the first second, how far will you have traveled at the third second' (assuming the acceleration is constant). Or, try flipping it around and asking about slamming on the breaks. I would be surprised if students that struggle with the mathematics of kinematics could answer this correctly. I would say that if someone can't answer this question that they don't really understand what acceleration is or what the characteristics of motion with constant acceleration are.

Hlud said:
What makes the kinematics equations more fundamental than basic optics? Or how sound works? Or why a simple machine works? If anything, because of the specific condition in which these equations apply, it is not fundamental at all.

I don't think it is being argued that kinematics is more fundamental than, say, the law of reflection. But now we're talking about two different branches of physics. Kinematics is the most fundamental aspect of understanding motion and mechanics which is usually the next topic. Historically, kinematics was the first aspect of terrestrial motion that was well understood (see the work of Nicole Oresme, and Thomas Bradwardine).

Hlud said:
Are you open for other connections throughout the year, like we do with math? I know most physics courses do a bit of history when talking about gravitation and orbits. Would you make deeper connections with history class and physics than this?

This is the first year I've tried this, but I have gone very deeply into history and the development of science with my students this year. They see excerpts of the (translations of) original treatises like those of Archimedes, Huygens, and Newton. We translate the meanings into more modern language.

Hlud said:
Would you have your students read Newton's Principia and analyze it from both an historical and physical perspective?
Only parts: definitions, axioms (laws), and his rules of reasoning in natural philosophy. If you've read parts of the Principia before you'd know that doing more than this is not a good idea for probably anyone that isn't absolutely gung-ho about the history of mechanics. I am, and I haven't yet made it through more than about 70 pages.
 
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brainpushups said:
In my experience the concepts are often understood better by the students who understand the mathematics.
I'd say that's true for all of physics. But the question is what your goal is for the course. If the course is, as Hlud says, the only physics course many of these students will ever take, does it really benefit the students to know how to calculate how long the ball will be in the air but not understand the nature of radioactivity? I'd say that having them understand radioactivity isn't the boogeyman it's often made out to be by anti-nuclear activists or the panacea pro-nuclear forces suggest it is is more relevant in today's world.

This is the first year I've tried this, but I have gone very deeply into history and the development of science with my students this year.
How has this worked out for you? Do you find it helps keep the students more interested in the subject? I think many of us here enjoy messing around with the math and just learning physics for the sake of learning it, but most students don't. They need to see how it's really part of their culture and not something only for nerdy types.
 
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Hlud said:
I have, for the past couple years, taught the kinematics equations to my regular physics classes (spending around 6-8 weeks doing so), and i will not be doing that in my new school.

I'm curious what you would use those 6-8 weeks for if not teaching kinematics? Is there another physics topic that will be covered instead or ?
 
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brainpushups said:
In my experience the concepts are often understood better by the students who understand the mathematics. It would be interesting to try asking some 'conceptual' questions like those in Hewitt's book that are based entirely on proportional reasoning like, for example 'if you step on the gas pedal and accelerate from rest and you travel a distance of 5 feet in the first second, how far will you have traveled at the third second' (assuming the acceleration is constant).

This is exactly what i am suggesting to my colleagues to eliminate. Your examples are not really conceptual, but more computational. And i actually see the opposite. My colleagues who teach AP Physics I (of which i teach a section of) don't care for my suggestion. One colleague goes as far to say that a conceptual-focused course dumbs it down. We agreed to put a conceptual question concerning the scope of those kinematics equations on a test. His students ended up missing that question far more than he ever thought. I could give more examples of students who know the math, but struggle with the physics.

I don't think it is being argued that kinematics is more fundamental than, say, the law of reflection. But now we're talking about two different branches of physics.

But, if i am to teach either kinematics or optics, i have to make a choice. My regular physics students generally don't get to see both. The same could be said of students in an intro to physics class in college.

vela said:
How has this worked out for you? Do you find it helps keep the students more interested in the subject? I think many of us here enjoy messing around with the math and just learning physics for the sake of learning it, but most students don't. They need to see how it's really part of their culture and not something only for nerdy types.

I, too, am extremely curious. I have always wanted to do something like that, but have been too overwhelmed with thinking about it.

CWatters said:
I'm curious what you would use those 6-8 weeks for if not teaching kinematics? Is there another physics topic that will be covered instead or ?

There are plenty of topics that we don't even touch in regular physics: anything in optics, thermo, rotation, waves, modern, etc... I just had a conversation suggesting that regular physics should be turned into a survey course. A lot of teachers i have talked to about this believe that mechanics is heavily focused in the county/state standards. Despite me showing them the contrary, they still seem to be hesitant.
 
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vela said:
I'd say that's true for all of physics. But the question is what your goal is for the course. If the course is, as Hlud says, the only physics course many of these students will ever take, does it really benefit the students to know how to calculate how long the ball will be in the air but not understand the nature of radioactivity? I'd say that having them understand radioactivity isn't the boogeyman it's often made out to be by anti-nuclear activists or the panacea pro-nuclear forces suggest it is is more relevant in today's world.

The goal is the question indeed. One of the reasons I changed my course to involve so much history was in thinking about this very problem: what should the average high school student take away from a single course in physics? I decided that they should understand the details of how the process of science works; call it scientific literacy. I saw an opportunity for telling the story of physics as a vehicle for this. I want students to be able to learn how to make arguments, how to evaluate others' arguments, and to understand that physics has just as much aesthetic value as a great work of art (perhaps the greatest in the history IMO). I want them to think for themselves, not regurgitate someone else's thoughts. I would argue that this is a better thing to teach them than, say, the nature of radioactivity. I would hope that students could learn to look at the scientific arguments for something and perhaps arguments that aren't endorsed by the scientific community and come to their own opinion by weighing the merits of the arguments. If they understand how scientific arguments are made they can give them the appropriate weight against lofty rhetoric.

vela said:
How has this worked out for you? Do you find it helps keep the students more interested in the subject? I think many of us here enjoy messing around with the math and just learning physics for the sake of learning it, but most students don't. They need to see how it's really part of their culture and not something only for nerdy types.

Its been a mixed bag. I've definitely hooked some students with the history, philosophy, and other topics related to the physics that we've discussed than if we hadn't done them. There is also enough of the detailed mathematics to satisfy the nerdy types. On the other hand, I had to eliminate a few projects to make room for the new material and I think I lost a few by doing this. Granted, the ones I've lost are the less motivated students who wouldn't have learned much physics from the projects anyway, but would have had a good time with them. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how it has worked. Next year I'm going to try using Steven Weinberg's book To Explain the World as a companion text to the course. I think this will help free up some time since I won't have to spend as much class time on the history; they can read it for themselves and I can do some additional activities or provide additional math help during class.
 
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Hlud said:
This is exactly what i am suggesting to my colleagues to eliminate. Your examples are not really conceptual, but more computational.

Can you give me an example of what you interpret to be a conceptual question about acceleration?

Hlud said:
And i actually see the opposite. My colleagues who teach AP Physics I (of which i teach a section of) don't care for my suggestion. One colleague goes as far to say that a conceptual-focused course dumbs it down. We agreed to put a conceptual question concerning the scope of those kinematics equations on a test. His students ended up missing that question far more than he ever thought. I could give more examples of students who know the math, but struggle with the physics.

Don't get me started on AP. What a complete waste. I went to talk with a large number of science faculty at a local ivy league college a few years ago and some of them had been keeping data on how students coming into first year science courses faired on their introductory courses. Students who had taken AP classes in high school showed absolutely no difference from those who had not taken AP courses. The most frequent AP test score regardless of final grade for their introductory course was a 5. AP courses do not teach you how to think.

I absolutely agree that you can focus too much on the mathematics and then the concepts will escape the students. I think a balance is needed. When I first started teaching I think I was too heavy on the math also.

Hlud said:
But, if i am to teach either kinematics or optics, i have to make a choice. My regular physics students generally don't get to see both. The same could be said of students in an intro to physics class in college.

Perhaps. This is the first year I've done any optics. Because I've followed the historical track this has let me cover more branches of physics that I ever had done before. My courses before this year were entirely classical mechanics. If you agree that science literacy is important and how science shaped our worldview then I think you should probably omit optics because, at least in the early development of optics around the time of Newton, the work in optics had very little effect on the changing world view. On the other hand, you can probably hook some students with optics because you can do a lot of cool things!

Hlud said:
I, too, am extremely curious. I have always wanted to do something like that, but have been too overwhelmed with thinking about it.

The amount of work has been enormous and I spend a lot of free time reading about science history and developing the curriculum. Luckily, that's what I'm interested in right now. I think I've used close to 20 different texts to put material together and this does not include the translations of the original treatises that I've at least skimmed (of which there are probably also around 20, but I didn't go back to count)..
 
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My question I guess is, what do your standards require the students to do? If conceptual understanding is the key you might consider reasearching the lecture demonstration model of physics education. Marietta College in Ohio isa big proponent of this method and it has shown to be effective in a lot of ways in my classroom.
 
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Hlud said:
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What makes the kinematics equations more fundamental than basic optics? Or how sound works? Or why a simple machine works?

That's a fair point. One answer is that it's historical- mechanics is an older branch of science than optics. That said, hydrodynamics is older than mechanics, so why don't we start with hydrodynamics?

Another answer is that we have to start somewhere, and kinematics lends itself to quantitative experiential learning better than optics or sound. Simple machines (levers, screws, etc) can be taught prior to kinematics, and they often are, but in the end, kinematics is a common starting point to introduce mathematical modeling of the real world, because it's based purely on measurable quantities (velocity and acceleration).

Personally, I've toyed with the idea of basing a physics I class entirely on 'energy' and perhaps not even bothering with 'force.' The state of Ohio mandates otherwise, but in my head it's an interesting approach.

Hlud said:
I do like the graphing. What i will suggest to my colleagues, as i will do this, is to do shapes of graphs only. Do not connect the graphs with equations, or put any numbers at all on the graphs.

That's fine- doing that can be termed 'ratio reasoning', and is something I wish my students had more experience with prior to intro physics.

Hlud said:
This is not a good argument at all. I could expose the students to kinematics the whole entire year. They will better understand it, true, but will they benefit from this change? No, because the majority of students who take this course do not ever take another physics class again.

That's not exactly what I mean, because you are right- students would be perfectly happy to cover only 1 chapter for an entire year, so they don't have to come to class and will do well on the assignments. What I mean is that the underlying concepts of kinematics, for example separating vectors into components with each component independent of the other, is a theme that recurs again and again. The relations between momentum, force, and impulse make more sense when students (again) see the definition of acceleration a = dv/dt. That's what I mean by spiraling back.

Hlud said:
Are you open for other connections throughout the year, like we do with math? I know most physics courses do a bit of history when talking about gravitation and orbits. Would you make deeper connections with history class and physics than this? Would you have your students read Newton's Principia and analyze it from both an historical and physical perspective?

No, I don't have them read Principia, but I definitely make connections with history- I talk about the controversy regarding conservation of energy and momentum in connection with radioactive decay and the subsequent postulation and discovery of the neutrino, for example. I talked about Torricelli getting in trouble with the Catholic church with his barometer, and we just analyzed the differences between Galileo's telescope and Kepler's (greatly improved) telescope. Some students like the historical context, some don't.
 
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brainpushups said:
<snip> at least in the early development of optics around the time of Newton, the work in optics had very little effect on the changing world view.

I pretty much agree with everything you have written except this point. Galileo (again) created a major controversy when he observed that the moon is not a perfect sphere- it has craters and mountains- and that Jupiter has moons. Both of these contradicted teaching of the church.

I'm sure it's no accident that his middle finger is preserved and on display in the science museum in Florence.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I pretty much agree with everything you have written except this point. Galileo (again) created a major controversy when he observed that the moon is not a perfect sphere- it has craters and mountains- and that Jupiter has moons. Both of these contradicted teaching of the church.

I agree with you the telescope played a role in helping shift the world view in that respect. I had my students read Sidereus Nuncius because of the impact it had. My comment was more about the theoretical development of optics playing little role in the shift in world view. The impact of theoretical mechanics on the 'revolution' of that time period is much more significant. I think you could cover only the history of mechanics and get students to understand the impact of the scientific revolution. It would be much more challenging to do this by covering the history of optics. This was mostly a response to the OPs comment about needing to choose what to cover based on time constraints. Of course, I think its best to cover both!
 
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brainpushups said:
Can you give me an example of what you interpret to be a conceptual question about acceleration

I would say an easy conceptual would be whether or not an object moving in a circle has a linear acceleration or not. Then, a mid level question would ask in what direction is that acceleration. I would do these questions early on in the year. Off the top of my head, i can't think of a high level question to do early on in the year. Maybe one that involves changes in acceleration, and a physical description of that kind of motion.

For quantitative questions, i would lean towards more graphing, or designing a method for measuring acceleration.

boonebr said:
My question I guess is, what do your standards require the students to do? If conceptual understanding is the key you might consider reasearching the lecture demonstration model of physics education. Marietta College in Ohio isa big proponent of this method and it has shown to be effective in a lot of ways in my classroom.

Virginia state standards are very vague in what is asked of the students. I interpret it as being more of a survey course. Most teachers in my county just ignore the latter few standards and make it a mechanics heavy course. On the topic of mathematics role in physics education, clearly any physics class would be bereft in the absence of any quantitative and logical based reasoning. However, my first year of teaching felt as if i was just doing algebra and computation 50% of the time. While algebra is a useful tool, it is given way too much priority in high school.
 

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