Why was the flat, no Lambda Universe previously favoured?

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The discussion revolves around the historical preference for a flat universe with no cosmological constant (Λ=0) prior to certain measurement results. Participants explore the theoretical and observational reasons that may have contributed to this viewpoint, as well as alternative cosmological models that challenge conventional understanding.

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  • Some participants reference a paper stating that a flat universe with Λ=0 was favored before measurements indicated otherwise, questioning the reasons for this preference.
  • One participant notes that prior to CMB measurements, the uncertainty in total matter density estimates allowed for the possibility of a flat universe with no cosmological constant, despite data suggesting otherwise.
  • Another participant argues that theoretical beliefs about the cosmological constant being too small led to assumptions that it must be zero, alongside predictions from cosmic inflation supporting spatial flatness.
  • Discussion shifts to Professor Wiltshire's alternative cosmology, which posits that time behaves differently in regions of structure versus voids, potentially explaining observations without invoking dark energy.
  • Some participants express skepticism about Wiltshire's model, suggesting that previous attempts to explain accelerated expansion without dark energy have not been successful and that such models require unrealistic conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the historical preference for a flat universe with Λ=0, with some arguing it was favored due to theoretical considerations while others contest this notion based on data. The discussion on Wiltshire's cosmology also reveals disagreement regarding its validity and implications.

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Participants highlight limitations in earlier data due to high uncertainty in matter density estimates and the theoretical assumptions surrounding the cosmological constant. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in cosmology regarding the interpretation of observations and alternative models.

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In this paper they state that a flat universe with no dark energy (##\Lambda = 0##) was favoured before the measurement results -- as they convey in the paper -- implies that the universe can not be flat and have a zero cosmological constant simultaneously.

What reasons were there, before this measurement, to favour a flat universe with zero ##\Lambda##?
 
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center o bass said:
In this paper they state that a flat universe with no dark energy (Λ=0\Lambda = 0) was favoured before the measurement results -- as they convey in the paper -- implies that the universe can not be flat and have a zero cosmological constant simultaneously.

Which specific statement in the paper are you referring to? All I see is a statement in the abstract that the ##\Lambda = 0## flat model is the "simplest inflationary universe model".
 
center o bass said:
In this paper they state that a flat universe with no dark energy (##\Lambda = 0##) was favoured before the measurement results -- as they convey in the paper -- implies that the universe can not be flat and have a zero cosmological constant simultaneously.

What reasons were there, before this measurement, to favour a flat universe with zero ##\Lambda##?
I don't think such a universe was ever favored by the data. But before the CMB measurements in the mid 90's, our estimates of the total matter density had such huge error bars that it was entirely possible for the total matter density to be high enough to make a flat universe with no cosmological constant. Even back then, the estimates of matter density seemed to be on the low side, but the uncertainty was pretty high.

The supernova estimates in the late 90's, especially combined with the later the WMAP CMB observations, demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that our universe was nearly spatially-flat, and the matter density was far too low compared to the expansion rate to make it spatially flat.

The only reasons to believe that the universe was spatially-flat with no cosmological constant before these observations were purely theoretical: many believed that the value of the cosmological constant, approximately [itex]10^{-122}[/itex], was way, way too small to be reasonable (if this value were higher by more than a couple orders of magnitude, no structure would have formed). So people just assumed there must be some symmetry that sets the cosmological constant to zero.

As for spatial flatness, that prediction comes from cosmic inflation: it's difficult to generate a universe with cosmic inflation that explains the horizon problem without also not producing an exponentially-flat universe.
 
can I ask for comments on Professor Wiltshire's alternative cosmology? He seems to argue that time slows down in structure regions, and passes faster in voids, which temporal inhomogeneity coupled with spatial inhomogeneity could account for observations

http://www.sciencealert.com/news/20082901-16828.html
 
TEFLing said:
can I ask for comments on Professor Wiltshire's alternative cosmology? He seems to argue that time slows down in structure regions, and passes faster in voids, which temporal inhomogeneity coupled with spatial inhomogeneity could account for observations

http://www.sciencealert.com/news/20082901-16828.html
Highly unlikely. He's attempting to claim that the observed accelerated expansion is explained purely through General Relativity. Many others have tried and failed to produce the same sort of explanation: that the acceleration is down to a failure to properly account for the fact that our universe isn't perfectly homogeneous.

Others have demonstrated that the only way to get the observed acceleration in such models is to have us sitting almost exactly in the center of a massive cosmological void, and that is ruled out by our observations.
 

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