With which forces and why spring acts on two bodies

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The discussion revolves around the forces exerted by a spring acting on two bodies of different masses. The original poster presents a scenario involving a spring between two masses, questioning the nature of the forces acting on each body.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of Newton's Third Law in the context of spring forces, questioning why the force exerted by the spring is the same on both bodies despite their differing masses. There is also a request for clarification on the reasoning behind the forces involved.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the application of Newton's Third Law and the nature of forces in a spring system. However, there is acknowledgment of insufficient information to reach a definitive conclusion, and further clarification is sought.

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Participants note that the problem lacks sufficient details for a complete analysis, prompting questions about what additional information might be necessary to clarify the situation.

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Homework Statement



Suppose we have spring which is between two bodies of different mass, with which force spring will act on every of them?

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Spring acts on a body with force kx

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Suppose body A has mass 2kg and body B has mass 1kg, i think spring will act on body A with force kx and on body B with the same force, but i don't understand why? Why not kx/2?
 
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harmyder said:
Suppose body A has mass 2kg and body B has mass 1kg, i think spring will act on body A with force ##kx## and on body B with the same force, but i don't understand why? Why not ##kx/2##?

I think Newton's Third Law explains this. The spring exerts a force ##kx## on ##B## and in turn, ##B## exerts a force ##-kx## on the spring. Then the spring transfers that force ##-kx## to ##A##, and in turn, ##A## pushes back on the spring with the force ##kx## which gets transferred to ##B## and so on and so forth. Can someone correct me on this or explain this more clearly so that he can understand?
 
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There is not enough information given in the problem statement for any definite answer to be arrived at .
 
Nidum said:
There is not enough information given in the problem statement for any definite answer to be arrived at .
Sorry, what additional information should i provide?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
I think Newton's Third Law explains this. The spring exerts a force ##kx## on ##B## and in turn, ##B## exerts a force ##-kx## on the spring. Then the spring transfers that force ##-kx## to ##A##, and in turn, ##A## pushes back on the spring with the force ##kx## which gets transferred to ##B## and so on and so forth. Can someone correct me on this or explain this more clearly so that he can understand?
Looks right to me.
This confuses many students. The root of that, in my view, is that a tension (or compression) is not so much a force as a pair of equal and opposite forces.
 
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