Wolfram gave me one answer, examiners gave me another

  • Thread starter Thread starter Saibot
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the confusion arising from integrating a function with a coefficient of 1/2. Two different approaches yield results that appear different but are actually equivalent due to the nature of indefinite integrals. The key point is that both answers differ only by a constant, which is represented by the variable C. This highlights that the choice of C can lead to different expressions, but they are all valid antiderivatives of the function. Ultimately, the integration process often results in multiple valid forms due to the arbitrary nature of the constant.
Saibot
Messages
12
Reaction score
6
Homework Statement
Find the integral of 1/(2x-2)
Relevant Equations
u substitution
I removed the coefficient of 1/2 before integrating. So I had:
1/2 integral[(1/x-1)]
= 1/2 ln(x-1) + C

Using u substitution without removing the coefficient yields
1/2 ln(2x-2) + C

I get how it works both ways, and my answer must be wrong, but what exactly is causing this conflict? Am I not supposed to remove the factor of 1/2?

What is happening here?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
##\ln(2x-2) = \ln(2(x-1)) = \ln(x-1) + \ln 2##
Therefore, ##\ln(x-1)## and ##\ln(2x-2)## differ only by a constant so both (divided by 2) are primitive functions of ##1/(2x-2)##.
 
What is happening is that as @Orodruin explained both are antiderivatives (=indefinite integrals) of the given function, however you use in both expressions the same letter ##C## for the constant and that is what is causing the confusion. We know that ##C## can be anything so it doesn't matter if you have just ##\ln x+C## in one expression and ##\ln x+C+\ln2## in the other, because if ##C## is anything, then so is ##C+\ln2## anything.
 
Got it, thanks guys. So I'm not actually wrong, we'll both just get different expressions for C.
 
  • Like
Likes DaveE and Delta2
Saibot said:
Got it, thanks guys. So I'm not actually wrong, we'll both just get different expressions for C.
It's happens quite often with integration. For example:
$$\cos(2x) = \cos^2 x - \sin^2 x = 2\cos^2 x -1 = 1 - 2\sin^2 x$$Any one of these may result depending on how you tackle the integral $$-2 \int \sin(2x)\ dx$$
 
  • Like
Likes SammyS and Saibot
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K