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[kuruman]

Dang! My program was supposed to eliminate them!

The website it checks modified its HTML (an ID attribute), and manipulating the resulting text created a silent error that just returned an empty list of already-used words.

I felt more secure doing everything using VBA code within a single spreadsheet which keeps track of all word lists.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 226 3/6

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,226 4/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,226 3/6

[CREST] 66 left
[INLAY] filter - 1 left
[SANDY]

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,226 4/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,226 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,226 3/6

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,227 6/6








#GuessTheAlbumCover #98

https://guesstheaudio.com/gtac/98

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,227 3/6

[RAPID] 10 left
[NEWLY] filter- 1 left
[BAWDY]

Lucky here. I forgot to use the "ignore past answers" option and ended up with 20 words left with my first guess and I used the suggested filter word which left only one possible answer.

If I had used the suggested filter word with 10 remaining words, I would have used the suggested filter word UNLAY which would have left two possibilities: BAWDY and CADDY. I would have chosen CADDY over BAWDY.

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,227 5/6







whew

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,227 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Lots of things going on today, almost forgot to play….

Wordle 1 227 4/6






Streak still strong at solving Wordle 552 days in a row.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,227 3/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,227 5/6

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,228 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 228 3/6





Edit: I was left with TULIP or TUNIC after the first. I randomized wrong …

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,228 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,228 3/6

[NURSE] 8 left: AUNTY BUNNY FUNKY JUNTA JUNTO MUNCH PUNCH TUNIC
[TACKY] filter -1 left
[TUNIC]

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,228 4/6






After my third word I was stumped, even though I had all six letters (C I T U N). So I went and fixed breakfast. Came back and saw the answer right off.

 

[Orodruin]

six letters

I think I found your problem …

 

[gmax137]

I think I found your problem …

Oops!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,228 3/6

 

[dwarde]

Down the rabbit hole again.
Wordle 1,228 6/6

 

[gmax137]

After my problem seeing the word (given all 5 letters), I made an Excel sheet to do the permutations. I wish I could say I used a clever formula to develop the permutations, but instead I brute forced the four-letter permutations, then used some moderately clever cut&paste to come up with all 120. Good thing it's five not six letters, the 6 letter 720 perms would have been more than I would take on. So next time I know 5 letters I will be ready, lol.

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,229 4/6






#GuessTheMovie #28

#SceneSeeker
https://guessthemovie.name/p/28

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 229 3/6





Only one possibility after the two seed words…

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,229 3/6





I felt pretty good getting this one in three

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,229 3/6

[STRAY] 17 left
[LEUCH] filter - 2 left: EASEL FALSE
[EASEL] most probable

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1,229 3/6

[STRAY] 17 left
[LEUCH] filter - 2 left: EASEL FALSE
[EASEL] most probable

How on Earth is EASEL more probable than FALSE? FALSE feels like a significantly more common word in my book.

 

[jack action]

How on Earth is EASEL more probable than FALSE? FALSE feels like a significantly more common word in my book.

It is not about how common it is but how more likely a human would choose it; especially one selecting a word for the common man doing a puzzle to relax.

Spoiler

FALSE has a negative connotation. EASEL is more neutral. It even makes you think about a relaxing hobby: painting.

Here are the type of images that pops up when searching for those words on DuckDuckGo:

Which one do you find more relaxing, inviting, and positive?

 

[Orodruin]

It is not about how common it is but how more likely a human would choose it; especially one selecting a word for the common man doing a puzzle to relax.

Spoiler

FALSE has a negative connotation. EASEL is more neutral. It even makes you think about a relaxing hobby: painting.

Here are the type of images that pops up when searching for those words on DuckDuckGo:

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Which one do you find more relaxing, inviting, and positive?

That if anything is conjecture. I would select a more common word like FALSE as making a more relaxed game as casual users are more likely to find it. Additional connotations may come in relevant but only at a secondary level.

 

[jack action]

I would select a more common word like FALSE as making a more relaxed game as casual users are more likely to find it.

Yet, in this case ...

I'll keep selecting the right answer more often than not until proven otherwise.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,229 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Yet, in this case ...

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I'll keep selecting the right answer more often than not until proven otherwise.

That’s not how science works. You are the one making the hypothesis that you can select the correct answer more often than random selection would. You have yet to actually prove this.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,229 4/6

 

[jack action]

That’s not how science works. You are the one making the hypothesis that you can select the correct answer more often than random selection would. You have yet to actually prove this.

• This is how science works.
• Yes, I am making a hypothesis.
• I am in the process of proving it. (Will it work? Nobody knows.)
• This is why I'm showing my selection process at every game. I do not state facts, I state my reasoning for selecting my words.
• It has gone really well up until now. (Can you imagine that my program suggested - quasi-randomly^[1] - FALSE as a filter word for the 2-word list EASEL and FALSE? It is far from being the first time I won that bet.)
• I cannot go faster than NYT publishes a new puzzle because it is only with them that this hypothesis would work. (Because the basis of my hypothesis is that a [very biased] human selects every solution.)

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[1] The program removed all letters already found in each word and ordered the remaining letters by count. In this case, all letters were removed from EASEL and only F appeared in FALSE. It then parsed the list of possible answers (2 words, in this case) to see if a word contained all the remaining letters (in this case, only F) and, obviously, FALSE was the only possibility.

If there weren't any words in this list, it would have parsed the complete list of words to find appropriate filter words for as many as possible remaining letters, starting with the most popular ones.

 

[Orodruin]

I am in the process of proving it. (Will it work? Nobody knows.)

Then don't make statements like this

I'll keep selecting the right answer more often than not until proven otherwise.

until you have proven it conclusively with reasonable methodology at a reasonable confidence level.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,229 4/6

 

[jack action]

Then don't make statements like this

until you have proven it conclusively with reasonable methodology at a reasonable confidence level.

So I'm supposed to NOT use a methodology to prove a hypothesis BEFORE I can prove the hypothesis works? How do I do that? It doesn't seem very scientifiky. Again, I don't make statements, I think out loud and share with people.

Just to inform you in advance, if somehow I find out along the way that it doesn't work, I'll change my methodology without any notice. Whether it works or not, don't expect an article published in a scientific journal either.

All I know is that when I'm stuck with selecting between two words, my human brain must have a thought process to do so. I would gladly ask you how you do it, but I won't go down that road again.

This is for fun. I don't think PF will be sued because someone followed my methodology to solve NYT Wordle and lowered their statistics because of it.

To quote you:

Your insistence on this is getting tiresome.

 

[Orodruin]

So I'm supposed to NOT use a methodology to prove a hypothesis BEFORE I can prove the hypothesis works?

No, that is not what I said. Please read what I am saying instead of making allegations. What I said was that you should not claim it is on others to prove your hypothesis wrong. What you are supposed to do is to collect sufficient data to support your claim before you unequivocally state that you are definitely selecting the correct answer more often than others.

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,230 3/6

 

[jack action]

What I said was that you should not claim it is on others to prove your hypothesis wrong.

I don't claim my hypothesis is right. But how can someone claim it is wrong without ever trying it first or looking at any sort of data beforehand?

What you are supposed to do is to collect sufficient data

This is what I'm doing, You are the only one making a big deal out of it every time I present the new data.

to support your claim

I don't claim anything. I just state facts: 1- Here is how I selected my guess, 2- Here is the result.
I don't pose any judgment about it.

You are the one making claims: I say that I noticed a pattern of more positive words being preferred over negative words and you claim it is not correct and I should use words that are more common to test my hypothesis ... but that is not my hypothesis! If you want to prove that hypothesis, do it, but I don't see that pattern emerging in the puzzle solutions.

When you say:

That if anything is conjecture.

Of course it is since, according to Wiktionary, it is pretty much a synonym for hypothesis:

• (formal) A statement or an idea which is unproven, but is thought to be true; a guess.
  I explained it, but it is pure conjecture whether he understood, or not.
• (formal) A supposition based upon incomplete evidence; a hypothesis.
  The physicist used his conjecture about subatomic particles to design an experiment.
• (mathematics, linguistics) A statement likely to be true based on available evidence, but which has not been formally proven.

before you unequivocally state that you are definitely selecting the correct answer more often than others.

I never made such a claim (the keyword being "unequivocally"). But it does look promising as time goes by. I cannot be "lucky" all the time. "Being lucky" would even disprove your theory of pure randomness, even if my pattern hypothesis was wrong.

The key is to identify the correct biased human pattern. Like trying to identify the tell from your opponent in a poker game. This is why the same people win the poker tournaments over and over, even though the cards are dealt randomly.

Of course, if you are convinced that the selection is purely random, maybe not even made by a human at all, you do not look for patterns. When I play on other websites, I don't use that technique at all.

For example, I was using the word CLASH as my seed word for a while as it seemed to help me find the answer more quickly. It gave good results for a few weeks and then I didn't notice any real differences. The hypothesis was disproved (or it had run its course?), so I abandoned it.

When I'll stop seeing the pattern of positive words being selected more often than not, I'll do the same.

 

[Orodruin]

I don't claim my hypothesis is right. But how can someone claim it is wrong without ever trying it first or looking at any sort of data beforehand?

Nobody has done so. I have kept asking for evidence that is true since you keep claiming so.

This is what I'm doing,

No, it is not. I quoted one of your posts explicitly claiming that you are selecting the correct answers at a higher rate than random. This is what I am arguing against. I have also questioned your assertion that a word you selected should be more likely to be selected in some instances.

Of course it is since, according to Wiktionary, it is pretty much a synonym for hypothesis:

The problem is not that it is conjecture. The problem is that you are presenting conjecture as fact before you have shown it.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 230 4/6

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,230 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,230 4/6

 

[kuruman]

I say that I noticed a pattern of more positive words being preferred over negative words . . .

The last ten words before today's were
SPOON SHOUT GOOFY BOSSY FROWN WREAK SANDY BAWDY TUNIC EASEL

Three of these
SPOON TUNIC EASEL
are objects and, as a human, I would consider them neutral. They could be positive or negative depending n one's personal experience and should be exempt because human experiences are unique to individuals. For example, if I were born with a silver SPOON in my mouth, I would consider it positive, but if my low-class stepfather spanked me with a wooden SPOON to discipline me as a child, I would consider it negative.

Of the remaining words I would consider,
SHOUT as neutral: It is impolite to SHOUT when talking to someone but it is necessary to SHOUT "Fore" as a warning when your golf ball is in a trajectory to hit someone on the head.
GOOFY as negative. Someone who does GOOFY things is not all there.
BOSSY as negative. Nobody wants to be ordered around by BOSSY people.
FROWN as negative. It shows disapproval when one's remarks are met with a FROWN.
WREAK as negative. One WREAKs havoc or vengeance neither of which is good when it happens.
SANDY as positive. It evokes SANDY beaches, relaxation and good times.
BAWDY as negative. It evokes indecency and lack of respect.

So there you have it. Of the last ten words I, a human, would consider only one positive.

I understand that this is only a small sample of the 2300 (or so) words on the list. The proper way to proceed is to first classify all of them as positive, neutral or negative. Then plot on the same graph the unselected percentage of words in each category as a function of time. All three plots start at 100% on day 1. If the theory that a human preferentially selects positive words is correct, then on day 1230 (today) the fraction of positive words should be (within error) well below the other two and the random selection expected percentage $(2300-1230)/2300=46.5\%.$

However, I will not attempt any of that because I am not interested in proving (or disproving) that a human preferentially selects positive words for the daily puzzle. This is too much work for something that doesn't interest me and is, therefore, not fun to me.

 

[Orodruin]

that a human

It is not even a human in general. It is one specific human - the Wordle editor - who may have all sorts of personal bias we are unfamiliar with.

 

[gmax137]

SANDY as positive. It evokes SANDY beaches, relaxation and good times.

If the Wordle editor is a New Yorker, SANDY could be a negative reminder of the hurricane.

the Wordle editor - who may have all sorts of personal bias we are unfamiliar with.

yes.

In defense of @jack action , I think he uses the positive/negative only to decide between possible solutions, so it is a relative judgement: which (of the two or three) choices is "more positive."

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,230 2/6




Very lucky seed left me with only 1 possible answer.